Calcium Lime Rust (remover)
Open thread dedicated to the wonderful cleaning power of CLR. Or the other CLR I suppose.
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posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 7:39 AM
Saturday, July 30, 2005
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44 Comments:
Not sure if I can shed some light on this "What's going on?" question. But I got good news last week, then an email yesterday telling me to hush up because they won't be done notifying until "the end of next week." Not sure what that means. Anyone gotten bad news? Are they actually CALLING to personally tell you your case analysis fatally failed to incorporate John Roberts' 8A jurisprudence, so you're not on the team? Ugly ugly.
What would be really nice and blog-revolutionary would be for some CLR geek to just come on here and post the WHOLE list. Break some news! Cause some trouble. Make Armen's day. (Or not.)
The list can't be revealed until it is final. The last couple people should not have a different status. Almost everyone knows. Just wait.
All I have to say is this is really f*$%ing frustrating. And informative on the managerial style of the CLR board. Why would they notify anyone if they couldn't notify everyone?
An incoming 1L linking my blog to the Boalt2008 Yahoo Group would make my day.
Were we this whiney coming in? Putting aside the whole CLR whining.
All quiet on the (north)western front...
... here's to Moot Court!
I had nearly forgotten all about CLR. Now I have this knot in my stomach that will tighten every time I check my mail or my phone rings for the next week. fuck.
Heard it was a tough year to get on CLR. Record numbers of 1L's turned in completed packets.
I try not to whine, but I do wish they'd conduct this process efficiently and without the possibility for whispers and rumors. That's just unnecessary.
As for the timeliness of it all... I'd just like an answer so I can plan my next semester (yes, journal or no journal is actually a central organizing principle).
So you're saying CLR should post a list of who got on ASAP? Alternatively, they should make clear that if you haven't heard by phone a "yes" by such-and-such a date, then you didn't make it?
The earlier poster who said they shouldn't notify anyone until they can notify everyone was right on. If you want to make it all personal and call people, that's fine. But do it over a two or three day period, NOT over two weeks. And don't under any circumstances start calling people until the list is finalized. For those of us who haven't gotten calls, now feel like we're all competing against each other for the 4 or 5 remaining slots.
Nothing like impending rejection to make you feel like a useless moron. Thanks CLR for dragging out the misery.
This is ridiculous. I feel like I am back in middle school waiting for cheer-leader tryout results-- there's all the gossip, yet here there's an utter lack of the decency associated with a posted list.
ARGHHHHH CLR should know better!
Remember that, within a month, they'll post the results online in the form of the new masthead.
I can't think of a good reason, though, why they don't post a list earlier. If the goal is to grant the winners a low-profile, that goal is undermined when they post the names on the masthead. Then again, the masthead list would get fewer hits and less attention after the vast majority has been informed they've been rejected.
The best reason I can come up with for not posting the results is that there are probably several successful CLR write-on winners who transfer to other schools. CLR needs to figure out who bolted Boalt and then offer a corresponding number of slots to the next runner-ups. True, CLR has its own transfer competition in the fall, but those spaces are probably reserved way in advance and independent of the number of Boalties who bolt. Then again, they can post a tenative list and update it accordingly - but then everyone knows who was a borderline candidate as the late editions are added.
A compromise would be posting the list as soon as they've made all their phone calls and know each person's status.
Armen, did you read the comments about your "whiney" comment on the 1L listserv? There's a whole thread on it.
It's good to see your warm sense of humor has won over the new 1L's just like it did the old ones. I guess all the 1L's now think that the 2L/3L's are total assholes who think they're "superior" to the 1Ls. Just a couple more weeks until they find out how right they are....
So they're whining about the whiney 1L comment? I mean I haven't read the comments since I don't have internet while I'm moving here in Berkeley. And it is now costing me 2 Gilbert's outlines to post this comment so I'm not too inclined to do the research. Regardless, I am thoroughly amused that class-consciousness (as in "Ohmagod, you're a freshman? What if everyone finds out I made out with you?") is alive and well at Boalt. I smell an idea for another skit courtesy of the Boalt Briefs people.
More substantively the whiney 1Ls can put their energies into breaking up the monster that is U-Haul. If there was ever a rival for Comcast's shitty service, it's U-Haul.
If we're going to whine, I would like to add to the pile the paragon of efficiency that is the Berkeley Registrar's Office, particularly the Residence Affairs Office in charge of changing us out-of-state people to in-state. What is so hard about this? Our forms were all submitted TWO MONTHS ago with the promise that we'd be approved before fall bills were due. Not quite, but who cares? After all, we're professional students! We don't notice if our bills are $1,000 or $2,000 or $12,000 higher than expected! So go ahead, Regents, Registrar, and all other takers--we LIKE overpaying for our education!
could some sympathetic CLR person post when ALL invitees have been notified?
Yes, it would be nice to know when CLR notifications have ended.
I really love how this blog comes alive when we actually talk about Boalt! It's so revealing that posts on gun control, Armen's observations on random violence, and other worldly topics get virtually no comments. But the joint is jumping when the topic is Boalt bureacracy, grades, CLR, and incoming 1L's. That's the way it should be. After all, this is Boaltalk.
Good point. Armen ought to emulate Daily Kos. He should throw out a general topic and get comments going.
"How's it going with rearranging your classes?"
"What do you think Edley should be foucsing on?"
"What needs to be reparied besides that womens bathroom stall?"
"What's your worst OCIP horror story?"
That sort of thing.
Umm...this is Armen's blog. Shouldn't he be allowed to post about whatever he wants to? If he wants to generate comments, he can throw something out for discussion. But if he wants to post his own rants and raves, that, as Bobby Brown would say, is his prerogative.
In conclusion, I would just like to thank CLR for awakening feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt that I haven't experienced since middle school. I want those ten days of my life back.
While this blog is Armen's sandbox and we're all playing in it, I'd surmise (or hope) that he appreciates how he has created a forum for Boalties to sound off about the school.
So providing increased opportunities for the Boalt community to comment on school-specific issues can only strengthen this blog and draw more traffic to read Armen's rants. It's a win-win situation.
right. right. yada. yada. Someone just post when they get their rejection letter in the mail (which is what I assume they mean when they say everyone should know in about a week). Then I will know to really fear my mailbox.
Anyone else feel dumb checking here wondering about CLR? Dumb. I check here instead of working. I could hit the online gambling sites instead, but they still don't have a line on my chances of getting the last spot on CLR.
The CLR acceptance packet arrived in the mail yesterday.
Hey 10:32, did you get a phone call first?
Yup. Phone call was last week.
So is that it? Is it all over? Can we get on with our lives if we haven't heard? I'm trying to make some employment decisions here...
I got a call Tuesday saying I was on CLR. I think it might be a prank. I'm too embarassed to call or email to find out if it was real. What if all these so-called insiders are just making things up? Everyone is anonymous. I just want to say one thing. I love you guys. Unless you are all lying to me and laughing about it over beers. If that's what you are doing, I might have to rethink my feelings.
Why are the comments on this blog identified only by the time they are posted and not the date? Can that be changed?
I don't want to make anyone paranoid, but I received a fake call from CLR. I won't go into details, but I had reason to be suspicious, called CLR, and found out it was a fake. At some point, they got the police involved and someone was arrested. I didn't know the person, but it was a fellow student. I'm still not sure how it could have been a crime. There was no actual or potential damage to me other than emotional distress. Maybe I could sue, but I don't understand how it could be a criminal matter. Any thoughts?
are you serious about this?
Sounds like B.S..
Sorry about the residency letter. I wish they were more efficient.
I have no fucking sympathy for any non-Californians having trouble getting residency, thus paying less tuition, thus being subsidized by the people of California. You're not "overpaying" for your education -- (1) Boalt is cheaper than any comparable school; (2) you didn't come here because it was cheaper, but because you didn't get into Harvard, Yale, Stanford, whatever. Give me a fucking break.
I got into Harvard and came here. There are many reasons. For one, there are more students here who understand that where you were born and who your parents are shouldn't determine how much opportunity you have. Naturally, there are some who are more provincial or selfish or close minded, but the school benefits from their contribution to the debate as well.
Let this be lesson: All who disagree with Mr. Chavez must be silenced!
I could be wrong, but I don't think Mr. Chavez was looking for sympathy so much as noticing the inadequacy of the system, and sharing it with us so we could all shake our collective head and enjoy the irony, or the mild absurdity, or something. I'm shaking with you, Mr. Chavez.
I also have no sympathy for non-Califonians. Sometimes I think about feeling sorry for them, growing up in some inferior part of the world, but how can you feel sorry for some poor SOB from the Midwest? Or the East Coast? Even Southern Californians are better than New Yorkers. Still, it's too bad we can't deny in-state tuition to everyone south of San Jose. Or at least south of Bakersfield. I do like Mr. Chavez, though. I'd like to make an exception for him.
Southern Californians are better than New Yorkers? Perish the thought. How about Northern California secession (which seems to become a trendy topic of discussion in this state every 5 years or so)? I'd definitely cut the line off slightly south of Bakersfield as well (because they have oil).
For all y'all not in the know, there is this tension that exists between the CA north and south. N. Californians think S. Californians are obsessed with themselves. S. Californians, to their credit, don't think about N. Californians. Growing up in S. California, I didn't realize there was an intra-state "rivalry" until I moved to Berkeley. Man, I love avocados.
I think the thing the posts are missing here is that the University rules (and Californian law) let people become residents for tuition purposes after just a year. Those of us who made a decision to come here from out of state did so with that in mind--kind of like the fee contract suit the class ahead of us is pursuing.
All I want is for the school to honor that and do it efficiently without sending me through a bunch of hoops such as making me pay random $40 dollar fees or an extra six-thousand dollars only to have to climb through more layers of red tape to have it returned when the residency office finally gets its sh#$ together.
All I want is free education. Not just for me, but for everyone. The problem isn't that California taxpayers are paying for the education of non-Californians. The problem is that everyone else doesn't follow suit, and also that even Californians aren't paying nearly enough.
I wouldn't mind if people had to pay for professional degrees if there were a good loan forgiveness program. Fully forgive loans after a five years or so if someone both uses the degree (for a J.D., that would mean a law-related field) and works for the government or a non-profit, or even just works for less than the average salary for new lawyers. Why should people with more family money have it easier?
You aren't better than me because my parents didn't plan for my future. You aren't better than me because your great great grandfather made a killing as an oil baron. I plan to pass on all the advantages I can to my kids, but I'd rather just live in a fair system where their options don't depend on me.
In case you haven't checked the mail yet, CLR rejections are waiting for you.
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