The Lottery
Speaking of random...the grades are now in on BearFacts (but not on Infobears, which I think is a switch from last semester). Just as a friendly reminder, the rest of your life depends on these grades.
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 10:02 AM
22 Comments:
Not everyone's grades seem to be up--maybe Armen just got lucky.
word from the registrar is the system failed halfway through. they're going to fix it tonight, and the grades will be up wednesday.
thanks boalt!
Adzhemyan may be hard to spell, but it sure is nice to survive the Chernobylesque meltdowns visited upon Berkeley IT on account of the last name.
And as a side note, this was the conversation this morning:
Armen A: Oooh grades come out today!
Extern 2: Oh good luck!
Armen A: Luck with this school would be if the grades are actually up.
[I am going to keep her foot as a good luck charm once CLR results are announced, if at all]
Mine are up on Bear Facts. I checked this morning at 8 AM and they're up now as of 12:10 PM.
This s#$& is bananas. Boalt's ONLY saving characteristic is that it's in the bay area - if this administration were at any other law school they'd be out of the top 100 'cause students just wouldn't be able to put up with such ineptitude.
I heard that Hastings posts its grades about four weeks after the last exam. That's a Bay Area law school that seems to be a well-oiled machine - at least compared to Boalt. And Hastings has lots more students than Boalt does.
In response to Mr. Stu,
Boalt has other saving characteristics, not the least of which is the fact that it is home to your 2005 Cleveland Steamers.
-Skipper J
Big ups to Anonymous back there. It's about time someone used the phrase "well-oiled" on this blog.
oh thank god, the wait is over. best wishes all!
looks like the rest of the grades are up now.
after sendings a not-terribly-friendly email to the registrar, i was told the problem was with the main campus system, not with Boalt. yay underfunded public school!
So what are the various grade cut-offs for different OCIP firms in terms of Boalt grades? Yeah, sure, people deny that there are magic combos of 1L grades, and the interview is very important, but there's got to be some collective wisdom about what different tiers of firms are looking for in a Boalt transcript. You'd think that some gutsy student group at Boalt would publish underground grade grids that roughly predict what kind of grades particular firms are looking for. Boalt student shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel every year to learn what their grades mean to firms.
I am waiting the follow up to this post with bated breath. More specifically, do you think Wachtell or Cravath will look past my 6 Ps to see the genuinely nice person I am deep down inside?
Anonymous 11:45 (For God loved bloggers so much that he gave anonymous comments...)
I think your concerns are completely misplaced. Post-graduation your first priority should be a clerkship with the new, as yet not appointed, justice. I'm not expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I see the interview progressing something like this:
Justice Rove: "How do you explain your first year grades?"
You: "I analyzed the issues from a conservative perspective."
Justice Rove: "Hired!!!"
Just make sure to dust the cob webbs off the Fed Society office or something to give your story some semblance of authenticity. You can also pretend to believe in property rights or some whacky s*** like that.
i've heard the firms tell you themselves--like they'll put that they're looking for someone with all Hs and HHs, and then if someone with all Ps signs up to interview with them, they do the interview b/c they have to, but it's not going to get you anywhere. i guess we'll see if that's true when career services, that beacon of efficiency and insight, explains how to sign up for interviews.
Career Services don't tell you shit.
"So what are the various grade cut-offs for different OCIP firms in terms of Boalt grades?"
I called the office last year to get this information and I got yelled at by one of the counselors who accused me of putting undue emphasis on grades.
Well, I'm going to be a 3L and did OCIP last year, and grades totally matter. I'm generally familiar with the selectivity of firms in LA if anyone is interested in that.
Do tell.
Roughly speaking ...
MOST SELECTIVE
Munger, Tolles & Olson
Irell & Manella
(Need to be in top 15-25 people in class or so. Should have say, 50% HHs, but may be able to get away with only 1/3rd HHs, or a P. These are two of the top 5 most selective firms in the country, and lucky for us, they happen to hire a lot from Boalt.)
THEN --
Gibson
Latham
O'Melveny
Skadden LA
Kirkland LA
(a good rule of thumb is 5 Hs in 1L year, with HH counting as 2 Hs)
Paul Hastings
Quinn Emanuel
Sidley LA
(middle of the pack selectivity; say even mix of Hs and Ps, maybe an HH here and there)
Pillsbury
Sheppard
Manatt
random small branch offices of out-of-town firms
(one or two Hs and/or CLR should be good)
Anonymous who posted the list of firms and cut-offs - Nice job! You got the ball rolling. Was that a Los Angeles-specific list? What about San Francisco? What firms have the stiffest competition?
Yes, that list is definitely LA specific, and you're right that selectivity differs tremendously by city. For instance, Mofo is probably the most selective big firm in Norcal, and they generally get the best of the students from Boalt who want to work in SF (which is a hell of a lot of people), but Mofo's LA branch office is much easier (I'd estimate on the order of a Sheppard or Pillsbury). By the same token, some NYC firm could be hot stuff on Wall Street and thus ranked in the top 10 in Vault, but that doesn't mean their West Coast offices are just as "prestigious." I'd say that the only office of a NYC firm that's really big time out here is Skadden LA.
As for details/cutoffs in SF, I have far less familiarity so I'm not going to speak out of my ass and mislead everyone. :)
One H. Anyone have a spare rope?
You can use mine--of course you'll have to cut me down first!
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