Edley or Not Here I Come
Second liveblogging of a talk by Dean Edley.
-- I want to note that there is no food provided. I just purchased a salad for $89 at Zeb. BTLJ will probably be serving lobsters.
-- UC Berkeley chancellor claimed that the mission of a public school is for a world-class education for the masses at a bargain. Edley replied, "That's not Boalt's mission" because Boalt is selective and it is not at a bargain. If that's not the mission then what is the mission of a public law school? This is the key to Boalt's campaign. Edley wants to make the case to public and alumni about the need for (a) lawyers and (b) a public school for lawyers. (cf. VC guest-blogger).
-- Berkeley serious about (1) diversity (2) interdisciplinary approach utilizing main campus and (3) and resources.
-- Why are we ranked 11 on US News but have a reputation ranking of 6? Short answer is resources. Michigan and VA got serious about resources 15 years ago. They recognized that state governments woul dnot subsidize. Michigan and VA are about 5-8K more than Boalt. Harvard and Stanford about 12K more. We are spending less than our competitors because we are getting less. We spend $31K per student while top 10 publics average $36K and top 10 privates even more. State support has shrunk in last few years. Almost dollar for dollar increases in fees have gone to cover the cuts and not to make the school stronger. DE thinks we've turned the corner in the budget mess. There is a deal between UC, Gov and Leg. In mid 90's PDF (Professional Degree Fee) instituted to attract new resources to these schools. Regents and Leg decided to cut state fees and allow schools to use PDF to cover cuts. DE: "As you can see this was like cocaine. They tasted it, they liked..." DE is trying to get them to kick the habit. DE has also requested specific increase in PDF for fin aid use.
-- We spend more of our budget to fin aid than competitors. But we are not targetting as we should. Fin Aid now used to reduce tuition for as many people as possible rather than targetting students who really need aid and giving them really sweet deals.
-- Student Faculty ratio lagging. We've been filling the whole on the cheap by hiring lecturers and adjuncts. In the last two years we've been making ground in this area, but the idea is to sustain it. Relatedly, the course offerings have gone through the roof.
-- Case for the Campaign:
(a) Faculty -- Help build momentum and secure the brightest stars for an ever expanding curriculum. Wants to expand faculty from 50 to 72 in the next 4-5 years.
(b) Students -- continue to have most generous fin aid plan of any school. Continue to give students freedom of career choice on the back end.
(c) Facilities -- Classrooms need to be improved and more office and research space necessary. New building model. It will be located between Cell Block B(oalt) and Haas Castle. Building will have two wings (Haasr and Boalt wings) with the center having a ground floor to serve as a Piazza with opera style seating [Ed. Note: Opera style seating? Don't get me wrong, I love to listen to a bunch of Haasholes speak as if they own the world, but opera style seating?]. The building like a pyramid steps down the hill.
(d) Research -- Need to expand multi-disciplinary research centers. BCLBE (pronounced Bicklebee, Law, Business, and Econ); BCLT; Global Challenges and the Law; Center for the Studey of law and society; Public law and governance; Center for Social Justice; Kadish Center on Law and Philosophy; YYY Institute (something on healthcare policy); ZZZ Center (misc)
These ambitions will cost $500 million. Since we don't have the cash up front, we need to find a way of financing the portions of this program. The capital campaign will cover about $100 million of the cost. He has specifics about what pieces of the program the capital will cover. DE also wants state to increase funding of faculty slots.
-- Last set of fee increases - About a year ago DE asked Chancellor for a $1500 increase in PDFs. DE wanted to use the money for rennovations and fin aid. Regents decided to increase for its own purposes. Only $750 will go to the school. There is a consensus among the Regents that the pro schools cannot be expected to subsidize the rest of the system. In November UCOP will present a three year plan for the Pro schools.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
-- Something inaudible about how fin aid works.
-- DE: Boalt still has less debt burden than other schools. Plus it's hard to convince the Regents that a farmworker in Fresno should subsidize someone who will go to private practice.
-- Priorities in re $500 million?
-- DE: Not until financial reality sinks in. At Harvard alumni don't give to loan forgiveness program. If pattern holds here, then that program will be funded by tuition. But Boalt alumni different and if they are willing to give then he will reconsider fin planning.
-- If we request fee increases, then what incestive does the Leg have to increase funding down the road?
-- DE: Central campus assured uas that we can eat what we kill. Or I guess we can eat what we grow.
[several questions omitted]
-- Thanks for all that you do but why the dip in minority enrollment?
-- DE: No clue. Our competitors increased fees more than we did. We're going to send out a questionaire to get feedback.
-- What can students do?
-- DE: Call to solicit money. Go on trips to get alumni to donate (e.g. to alumni chapters).
-- UCLA relationship?
-- Dean Schill (sp?) and DE are joined at the hip. Along with Carnesale. A little friction for stealing their best faculty, but they are pushing for changes together.
[Aside form the building model, this really did not offer anything not covered in previous talk. I will add in links and further comments later on]
-- I want to note that there is no food provided. I just purchased a salad for $89 at Zeb. BTLJ will probably be serving lobsters.
-- UC Berkeley chancellor claimed that the mission of a public school is for a world-class education for the masses at a bargain. Edley replied, "That's not Boalt's mission" because Boalt is selective and it is not at a bargain. If that's not the mission then what is the mission of a public law school? This is the key to Boalt's campaign. Edley wants to make the case to public and alumni about the need for (a) lawyers and (b) a public school for lawyers. (cf. VC guest-blogger).
-- Berkeley serious about (1) diversity (2) interdisciplinary approach utilizing main campus and (3) and resources.
-- Why are we ranked 11 on US News but have a reputation ranking of 6? Short answer is resources. Michigan and VA got serious about resources 15 years ago. They recognized that state governments woul dnot subsidize. Michigan and VA are about 5-8K more than Boalt. Harvard and Stanford about 12K more. We are spending less than our competitors because we are getting less. We spend $31K per student while top 10 publics average $36K and top 10 privates even more. State support has shrunk in last few years. Almost dollar for dollar increases in fees have gone to cover the cuts and not to make the school stronger. DE thinks we've turned the corner in the budget mess. There is a deal between UC, Gov and Leg. In mid 90's PDF (Professional Degree Fee) instituted to attract new resources to these schools. Regents and Leg decided to cut state fees and allow schools to use PDF to cover cuts. DE: "As you can see this was like cocaine. They tasted it, they liked..." DE is trying to get them to kick the habit. DE has also requested specific increase in PDF for fin aid use.
-- We spend more of our budget to fin aid than competitors. But we are not targetting as we should. Fin Aid now used to reduce tuition for as many people as possible rather than targetting students who really need aid and giving them really sweet deals.
-- Student Faculty ratio lagging. We've been filling the whole on the cheap by hiring lecturers and adjuncts. In the last two years we've been making ground in this area, but the idea is to sustain it. Relatedly, the course offerings have gone through the roof.
-- Case for the Campaign:
(a) Faculty -- Help build momentum and secure the brightest stars for an ever expanding curriculum. Wants to expand faculty from 50 to 72 in the next 4-5 years.
(b) Students -- continue to have most generous fin aid plan of any school. Continue to give students freedom of career choice on the back end.
(c) Facilities -- Classrooms need to be improved and more office and research space necessary. New building model. It will be located between Cell Block B(oalt) and Haas Castle. Building will have two wings (Haasr and Boalt wings) with the center having a ground floor to serve as a Piazza with opera style seating [Ed. Note: Opera style seating? Don't get me wrong, I love to listen to a bunch of Haasholes speak as if they own the world, but opera style seating?]. The building like a pyramid steps down the hill.
(d) Research -- Need to expand multi-disciplinary research centers. BCLBE (pronounced Bicklebee, Law, Business, and Econ); BCLT; Global Challenges and the Law; Center for the Studey of law and society; Public law and governance; Center for Social Justice; Kadish Center on Law and Philosophy; YYY Institute (something on healthcare policy); ZZZ Center (misc)
These ambitions will cost $500 million. Since we don't have the cash up front, we need to find a way of financing the portions of this program. The capital campaign will cover about $100 million of the cost. He has specifics about what pieces of the program the capital will cover. DE also wants state to increase funding of faculty slots.
-- Last set of fee increases - About a year ago DE asked Chancellor for a $1500 increase in PDFs. DE wanted to use the money for rennovations and fin aid. Regents decided to increase for its own purposes. Only $750 will go to the school. There is a consensus among the Regents that the pro schools cannot be expected to subsidize the rest of the system. In November UCOP will present a three year plan for the Pro schools.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
-- Something inaudible about how fin aid works.
-- DE: Boalt still has less debt burden than other schools. Plus it's hard to convince the Regents that a farmworker in Fresno should subsidize someone who will go to private practice.
-- Priorities in re $500 million?
-- DE: Not until financial reality sinks in. At Harvard alumni don't give to loan forgiveness program. If pattern holds here, then that program will be funded by tuition. But Boalt alumni different and if they are willing to give then he will reconsider fin planning.
-- If we request fee increases, then what incestive does the Leg have to increase funding down the road?
-- DE: Central campus assured uas that we can eat what we kill. Or I guess we can eat what we grow.
[several questions omitted]
-- Thanks for all that you do but why the dip in minority enrollment?
-- DE: No clue. Our competitors increased fees more than we did. We're going to send out a questionaire to get feedback.
-- What can students do?
-- DE: Call to solicit money. Go on trips to get alumni to donate (e.g. to alumni chapters).
-- UCLA relationship?
-- Dean Schill (sp?) and DE are joined at the hip. Along with Carnesale. A little friction for stealing their best faculty, but they are pushing for changes together.
[Aside form the building model, this really did not offer anything not covered in previous talk. I will add in links and further comments later on]
Labels: DE, Law School, Legal Education Costs, The Red Menace
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 12:53 PM
1 Comments:
I thought the talk was worse than a waste of my time--it was a waste of resources (electricity, the dean's time, etc.). It was absolutely pointless. What do I care where the capitol campaign money comes from or where it's going? I'll never seen any of the biggest changes on the list. DE spent the majority of his time on the new building which (in great liklihood) will not affect any single student at this law school while they are at this law school. Seriously, he should've been out raising money and not talking to us about changes that will not effect on us.
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