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I suppose I should mention this report by Leiter that UCR wants to have a law school. From what I've been reading, there's a lot of misunderstanding about the UC system out there. Here are my thoughts in no particular order.
When a campus within the UC wants to add a particular school or department, the initiative is that campus's alone, not the the university's. Eventually the plan must be approved by the Regents of the UC, but that's down the road. So, I really don't want to hear any UC bashing over this. UCR wants its cash and reputation to go up, so a law school's a good way to do it. (See, e.g., executive summary, stating, "UCR has identified a School of Law, a School of Medicine, and a School of Public Policy as the best professional schools to strengthen and enhance the campus"). You may read that previous statement as you wish.
Public law schools are great. All public education is great. I have never had anything BUT public education and I embrace it wholeheartedly. Hell I'll even donate to the new law school when and if it opens. But at the same time we can't forget that Riverside is Riverside. I still think UCLA and U$C are not enough for the SoCal market and another top 25ish school would be great. I think UCSD is the campus to pull something like that off, especially given their great poli sci and regional studies programs. Anywho...that's that.
When a campus within the UC wants to add a particular school or department, the initiative is that campus's alone, not the the university's. Eventually the plan must be approved by the Regents of the UC, but that's down the road. So, I really don't want to hear any UC bashing over this. UCR wants its cash and reputation to go up, so a law school's a good way to do it. (See, e.g., executive summary, stating, "UCR has identified a School of Law, a School of Medicine, and a School of Public Policy as the best professional schools to strengthen and enhance the campus"). You may read that previous statement as you wish.
Public law schools are great. All public education is great. I have never had anything BUT public education and I embrace it wholeheartedly. Hell I'll even donate to the new law school when and if it opens. But at the same time we can't forget that Riverside is Riverside. I still think UCLA and U$C are not enough for the SoCal market and another top 25ish school would be great. I think UCSD is the campus to pull something like that off, especially given their great poli sci and regional studies programs. Anywho...that's that.
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 10:11 PM
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UCI was also discussing starting a law school, but that put that on the back burner (They already have a Med. School). Instead they are going forward with a Nursing pro which is a smarter idea since no UC currently has one.
Merced should get a law school before Riverside. Almost all of the law schools in the state are on or near the coast and the central valley is much more economically depressed than Riverside.
on a totally unrelated, but hilarious note:
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it's worth it
UCLA has a graduate school of nursing and another one for public health. But then that might be like the schools of education where the Cal States are the ones with a total monopoly on credentialing secondary education while some UCs are allowed to credential for primary.
Does anyone know why more schools do not have law schools? I understand that it requires a bunch of cash to put up a new building and hire faculty. But with the hordes of students applying to schools like Cooley and Thomas Jefferson, it seems like a piece of cake to get enough students to apply to new law schools at ALL the UC's.
In SoCal, there are law schools at Chapman College, LMU, University of Laverne, and unattached schools like Southwestern and Whittier. If these schools can be sustainable, how could law schools at UCI, UCSD, and UCR not succeed?
I guess for that matter, why don't the other Ivy League schools have law schools (Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth)?
Could Riverside support a law school?
Jeff
On the question of the Ivies, it seems that Princeton, Dartmouth and Brown just don't have professional schools. Also, am I the only one who didn't even know Penn had a law school until they started doing law school applications?
When I was applying for undergrad, an alumnus from Penn undergrad and law school made sure to mention those two facts. Unfortunately he never returned my calls to set up a time for an interview. That fact combined with their two personal statements ensured that they wouldn't get my app fee.
Here's a laugher: the US News "National University" rankings have Penn at #4! The folks at Penn must be experts at gaming the US News rankings. And it goes for the law school too: they were supposedly the only law school last year to report that 100% of their grads were employed at graduation.
Darmouth has both a business school and a med school.
I count like four. That's like not a lot of public law schools in a state of 37 million.
Merced isn't a bad idea, but they're having trouble just filling the undergrad classes. Have to walk before you can run--maybe a few more years. And Davis is technically in the Central Valley.
What does it mean to have a "top 25ish school"? I really hope that the Regents aren't taking the US News rankings into account in deciding whether to open a new law school.
The central valley is a bad place for a new public law school because:
1. The educational institutions (before law school) out there is so bad, and the locals so undereducated, that a decent law school wouldn't admit most locals anyway.
2. Locals or not, no one should want to go to/stay in the central valley unless there is no other choice.
3. There are already way too many law schools. And lawyers. Especially in California.
4. The difference between a public and private law school is disappearing so quickly that there won't be a difference by the time a new "public" law school gets its legs under it.
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