Crappy Courses of the Fall
This post is dedicated to the gunner 1L who is obsessed with course offerings in the fall. Thank you for posting in every thread.
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posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 11:09 AM
Friday, April 13, 2007
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23 Comments:
Query: What are all the different ways to get P/NC units at Boalt next Fall? Because I am getting really, really sick of taking graded finals. I know everything in the 295 series is P/NC, and you can have up to 15 units of non-graded work, but it seems like there's a lot of random little ways to find them: externships, some clinicals, moot court and trial team? Any wise and knowing 3L who made a list would be God in my eyes (and hero to many). Thanks.
Re 12:10:
Gunner.
who decided that it must be a 1L who kept asking about the courses? my money is on a 2L.
Gosh, I didn't realize it was so unreasonable for a LAW STUDENT to be concerned about *gasp* COURSE OFFERINGS for their LEGAL EDUCATION. Silly me. Let's get back to arguing about mortgages and amortization.
12:10, looks like you asked and answered yourself. Non-graded work can be done in clinicals, moot court, trial team, externships. Okay, and journals, but I know at least some cap that at 2 credits over your three years.
However, be forewarned about clinicals and externships (and maybe moot court and trial team too, but I don't know as much about those). You may just get the automatic Credit, but you will spend waaaaaay more hours on then than you're actually getting credit for. I and every person I know who has done a clinic or externship and expressed an opinion has said that you majorly lose out on the time/credit return. Even still, they can be very meaningful experiences and it is nice to have one less final. But I hope that's not the only reason you'd want to work at EBCLC or do moot court.
God(dess)-like enough for you?
What the hell's up with the IP offerings!? Aside from the intro class, only one non-seminar taught by a visiting associate professor??? no BCLT director is teaching anything?! Are they really serious about offering all the substantive IP courses in the Spring? is this normal?
What's the difference between moot court and trial team? And did I already miss the sign-ups for one-and-or-both, or do you register for them on Telebears, or what?
-- Helpless 1L
The course offerings for the fall are truly lacking. For some reason they think that adding a bunch of "Law and Society" courses will make up for not having a good selection of actually substantive courses.
I really hope more courses will be added.
I'm confused. I thought we hired a bunch of new faculty in the last 2 years. What they hell are they doing with their time?
Just a quick question: is the title for this post a reference to "Legends of the Fall?" I know Armen likes to reference something with each title, and the allusion in this one has been eluding me. Crappy Brad Pitt movie (with lovely scenery) is all I've got. Armen?
Crappy movie, crappy courses. Well done 7:08. I've had harder ones before though.
Addressing the question about moot court and trial team. Moot court is dealing w/ appellate arguments and briefs, whereas trial team is dealing w/ arguing in the context of an actual trial and not on appeal -- very different skills. Tryouts for both are going on right now. You certainly don't register on telebears for them. I'm not sure if you can still sign up to tryout. If you want to find out, contact Bill Fernholtz (the advocacy director). Otherwise, you might be able to find an open spot in the fall or just wait until next Spring. Tryouts are always annouced via the BBB and posters (they're everywhere in the lobby right now).
For the poster who asked about non-graded credits, you can also get these by doing research for a professor (sometimes graded, usually with a high grade, and sometimes just given credit).
How dare you say Legends of the Fall is a crappy movie. Brad Pitt doesn't make crappy movies. He's a crappy actor, but (save, like, The Mexican or some of his early, early work) he doesn't appear in bad movies.
As for taking Prof. Cole for anything. DON'T DO IT. Professor Cole's Professional Responsibility course was a bad choice.
Disco Stu has ZERO, nil, nada, nein, credibility with movies. Disco Stu knows why he has ZERO credibility. So, enjoy Legends of the Fall, enjoy Star Wars, and enjoy Thelma & Louise.
And probably Waterworld.
5:47: you don't know what you're talking about. Boalt has offered Law and Society courses since it founded the Jurisprudence and Social Policy department, which is the nationwide leader in Law and Society scholarship. It has its own faulty appointments, and offers seminars (including interdisciplinary seminars) every semester, that you have the opportunity to take AND earn law school credit for (try finding that at almost any other law school. NYU is starting to do it, but even they look to Boalt's model).
If Boalt isn't offering enough Fall courses, it's not because of the Law and Society offerings.
So, for those 2Ls who didn't manage to get into a Prof Responsibility course this year, must we take it in the fall next year in order to take the MPRE in the spring? Or is the MPRE doable w/out it (in which case we can wait)?
Armen is dressing up as one of the Knights who say "Ni" this Halloween. Wish him well.
Oh, and Armen, name a bad movie besides The Mexican, Thelma and Louise (his early stuff), and his accent in Seven Years In Tibet that he has been in.
Interview with a Vampire. Meet Joe Black.
You can take Professional Responsibility in the Spring also. That's what I did.
Helpless 1L,
It is too late to sign up for trial team tryouts, as they were held last Monday and Tuesday. It is not too late, however, to try out for a slot on Boalt's 07-08 moot court teams. Tryouts will be held until 10 p.m. tomorrow, Monday April 16. The sign-up sheet is on the door of Boalt 377, and as of this morning there were still slots available.
You just do a seven-minute version of your WOA oral argument, bring a resume, application (they're on the floor outside Room 377 right now), and a writing sample (your WOA brief.)
Also, allow me to put in a plug for our Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR teams), tryouts for which will be held in the fall. We field teams for the ABA Negotiations, ABA Mediation, and California Environmental Negotiations teams, all of which offer great opportunities to learn ADR skills.
One way or the other, I urge you to get involved. It's a shitton of work, but it's fun and highly, highly educational.
It probably isn't really too late to get on a trial team next year. Just look for the trial team member that drops off because s/he makes CLR, is an editor on another journal, on the board of a student organization and/or a member of BHSA or a committee. The idea of trying out in the spring for teams that won't even go to their competition for almost a year is a bit much.
I have never posted on this site before, but the commenter at 8:09 is a moron. Last spring, we chose 17 students to be on trial teams. This included members of CLR, editors on other journals, people doing their writing requirement, people doing OCIP, etc. etc. etc. None of them quit. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about. Audrey :)
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