OCIP 2007
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posted by Max Power at 9:19 PM
Thursday, August 23, 2007
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38 Comments:
I've heard that firms are able to see how high or low we ranked them during OCIP bidding.
Is there any truth to this?
Any thoughts on the feasibility of working in Palo Alto for a summer while living in Berkeley?
11:49: Difficult.
The commute on 880-S from Berkeley to Dumbarton Bridge is very bad. There are cheaper than you think apartments in Palo Alto. I'd suggest subletting your Berkeley place or just eating the cost.
10:48:
No.
if you have straight P's interview everywhere. I did twice as many interviews as most people and ended up with only a couple offers.
9:30 - Your experience isn't universal, but it's probably good advice for someone with straight P's or mostly P's who either isn't a good interviewer or is dead set on working in SF.
I know it's early to be asking this, but what is the typical amount of time between doing a screening interview and getting an offer for a callback interview?
I'm curious because I only want to do Phase 2 interviews with firms I'm really interested in, but I will obviously do more if we don't hear about callbacks for awhile...
Depends on the firm. Some call you within 24 hours of the interview and some wait a while -- perhaps to see if people higher on their list agree to a callback. Usually, it's a safe bet to assume that if you don't hear within a week, you're not getting the callback.
11:58 - I agree with the above poster. I've had callbacks as late as 4 or 5 days. Typically they come the next day.
Also - if you get invited to dinner -that usually means you are getting called back.
11:58 here: Thanks to both of you!
11:58-
For me, about 3/4 of firms called within 48 hours. The remaining 1/4 got spread over the next two weeks. Yes, I've had a call-back offer come in over two weeks after the interview. No, I didn't go to the callback interview. It really depends on the firm, how much they liked you, and how well they have their shit together with respect to recruiting.
Also, some firms (Weil, McDermott, O'Melveny, probably more) do dinners for call-back offerees the same day or 1-2 days after the callbacks, so free up your nights.
Most firms will send you a letter in the mail (usually coming 1-4 weeks after the OCI interview) if you won't get a callback offer, but some just never follow-up at all.
11:49:
I subletted my place in Berkeley to a Stanford student (who preferred Berkeley to take BART to work in the city) and subletted a place in Palo Alto from a different Stanford student. It worked great.
Cost-wise was a wash because I got a studio there for what I could charge for my very large one bedroom here. Trust me, I'd still have done it even if it would have cost a lot more - that commute is ridiculous unless you plan on getting to your office way earlier than anyone else will be getting there (to avoid traffic)...
anyone have advice on landing a summer job for a firm overseas (e.g. in europe/asia)? anyone out there know of someone whose done it?
1:58:
I know of at least two people who worked overseas. One was in the UK and the other in Japan. It can be done. I would recommend looking at the prior summer evaluations to figure out who also did it.
Good luck!
As far as timing of callbacks, keep in mind that lots of non-local firms wait until their interviewer finishes up all interviews and returns to the office and then meets with the hiring committee. Lots of DC firms, for instance, took at least a week to give callbacks.
1:58-
If you are trying to land a job in a non-english speaking country, speaking the language is usually required. Other than that, look firm to firm for one that has a substantial overseas summer program. Also, try and find out how many of those summers actually get offers (likely to differ from US offices). Having some existing connection to the country helps too.
Thanks, 3:08. That is helpful, esp since I am interviewing at non-CA firms.
Thanks a lot, 4:55. Appreciate it. I perused some of the UK firms websites -- cold hard cash is not my only motivator, but these firms pay about 250 quid or $500 per week? Is that typical of a UK summer gig?
Also, I plan on interviewing with US firms that have a strong intl presence (e.g. Baker McKenzie, DLA, etc.). Do you think it wise to mention in the interview with their NYC or SF office, that I am looking at working overseas?
I need to get a suit for OCIP. Where should I be looking to get a quick turnaround with the tailoring? Have no idea what these things cost - $500?
4:37-
Menswearhouse isn't bad. $400-500 is reasonable.
J Crew has nice suits; some women swear by Anne Taylor but I don't like polyester suits. Theory suits are beautiful, but will run $500+
Are the hospitality suites at the Hotel Durant open from 9 to 5, or for shorter windows of time?
4:37 - Well, we all just missed the Brooks Brothers summer sale (which is cheaper than I had imagined) so at this point I'd suggest Nordstrom Rack in San Leandro. Although you have to dedicate a little time to sort through the crap, and there are no salespeople to help you, there are almost always some good suits for reasonable prices.
Not that any suit priced at $400-500 is going to be amazing, but I think the suits at Men's Warehouse/3 Day Suit Broker/etc. are especially not good.
In terms of tailoring, the Rack has a tailor there that will usually get your stuff back to you by the next day, if not a few hours later.
Don't worry about labels, instead look for for features like those described in this article
http://www.englishcut.com/archives/000101.html
10:44--
You were looking at the salary info for UK-qualified attoreys (meaning they usually only have an undergraduate degree and have to do a few years of apprenticeship with the firm).
US-qualifieds at "Magic Circle" firms (i.e. top UK firms) and London offices of US firms typically get New York salary and bonus and they often get a hefty cost-of-living adjustment as well (we're talking tens of thousands of dollars--or even pounds). As a result, UK associates are often quite jealous of the US-trained associates, which may be a bit weird.
The real question re: London firms:
Will I be a barrister or a solicitor?
You would be a solicitor. Becoming a barrister requires jumping through an incredible number of hoops, the first of which is getting a pupilage with a group of barristers (not a big corporate law firm). You really have to earn your whig over there.
You're neither a barrister or a solicitor if you're a US-trained attorney working in London. You are a corporate attorney licensed to practice in (usually) CA or NY, but working overseas.
9:27 is right, however some American lawyers do choose to become English qualified. In reality, most offices have plenty of both US and English qualified lawyers to handle the appropriate work. However, it is actually easier for a UK lawyer to get US qualified (in NY), then vice-versa.
Pretty much all big firm english lawyers are solicitors. Those litigators who need to appear in court are solicitor-advocates. The distinction between solicitor and barrister is on its way to being abolished.
If the person looking for a suit is still in the market for a new one, I would highly recommend Macy's. They have lots of brands and styles, and usually have fantastic sales. They're likely to have a big labor day sale this weekend. Check 'em out.
For the ladies, there are amazing suits at the BCBG store in SF and they usually have great sales year-round. I got a suit there last year that was originally $700 for only $150. BCBG is a perfect fit if you're petite. For me they didn't require any tailoring, which is always a plus when you're short on time.
So how is the callback thread working this year?
I have a callback question. So, if you get a callback with contact information of someone you can schedule the callback with....do you just contact that person or should you also contact the person telling you about the callback?
Schedule your callback interview, THEN call the offeror to thank him/her and let him know you scheduled a callback interview at such and such time. Often that person will be the one to initially greet you at the firm.
thanks Armen!
what if you get invited to a dinner and have to say no? is that bad?
How long can you wait between getting a callback and calling to schedule it? Is it ok to wait and hear back from other firms before scheduling with the ones who give early callbacks or is that rude?
we are recommended to call back within 1-2 days according to the career office...
what should we expect from call back interviews?
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