Wednesday, April 16, 2008

Let's Out TeleBears!

Something about the TeleBears Phase I appointment times is fishy.

And unless you work in the Registrar's office, DO's office, or on Pluto, you know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

The truth doesn't have to be a speculative matter, and it doesn't have to be taken as an article of faith. Whether students' TeleBears appointment times correlate to their undergraduate application/enrollment at UC Berkeley is, in fact, an empirical question.

So let's find out, shall we?

If you are a current student at Boalt, please take this very short, seven question, multiple choice survey. It will take about 20 seconds of your day. 40 if you take it twice (but please don't do that). As long as there are enough participants, the results will put this question to bed.

Lastly, if you are not currently a Boaltie, feel free to look at the survey but please refrain from actually answering any questions. We like you and all, but your input on this one will screw everything up.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for doing this, Patrick. Is there any way to find out what our Telebears times were in prior semesters?

4/16/2008 8:11 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

I'm sorry, 8:11, but I'm a tad confused. Do you mean, is there a way for current students to go back and look at their historical TeleBears times? Or do you mean is there a way to include that data in the survey?

I don't know the answer to the first question. They are probably archived in your email, if you keep such records.

With respect to the second question, my assumption was that few people would have the time/energy to dig up their historical times. That's why I only asked about this semester.

If I was mistaken there, I would be happy to set up identical surveys for previous semesters . . .

4/16/2008 8:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The survey asks about our Spring 2008 registration time, which I can't find anywhere.

4/16/2008 9:07 AM  
Anonymous John said...

4/16/2008 9:08 AM  
Blogger Mike M said...

I don't get it. Is the idea that certain students get preferential treatment?

4/16/2008 9:11 AM  
Blogger Armen said...

Patrick, as Mike's comment above makes clear, some people may not understand what you're getting at. I think you should have added a question asking for the first 3 digits of the participants SID number.

Mike, after three years, I always had prime telebears times. I can't tell you why, but I had a lower SID number than those who didn't have prime choice. And SID numbers are assigned when you apply to UCB (or when you're admitted, not sure), for example, as an undergrad. It doesn't take much to figure this out. Patrick's survey, if enough people participate, should easily show the correlation between your SID number and enrollment time.

4/16/2008 9:16 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Armen: I added such a question. The tardy entry will have no effect on the results.

If you are one of the 20-odd people who have already completed the survey, please do NOT go back and do it again. That WILL skew the results.

Mike: I guess I just gave you another thing to worry about this week. Sorry about that.

4/16/2008 9:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When will the polls be closed?

4/16/2008 10:28 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

We have 40-some responses. It would be nice to get a couple hundred. But that might not be realistic. Early next week, maybe? Monday?

4/16/2008 10:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, so, to clarify, the rumor is that your appointment is based solely on your SIS number (and class year, obviosuly -- 3Ls go before 2Ls, etc). In math terms, there is a linear relationship.

your SIS number, in turn, is based on when you APPLIED to UCB - undergrad, grad, whatever. So people who applied to UCB as an undergrad - regardless of whether they ACCEPTED - have an automatic advantage over those of us who did not. And among those of us who did NOT apply to UCB undergrad, those of us who applied earlier to Boalt have an advantage over the late applicants. And so forth..

4/16/2008 10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You even get an SIS number if you applied to Berkeley for undergrad and Berkeley rejected you.

4/16/2008 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


So what you're telling me is, if my last recommender would have gotten off her ass and actually finished the letter a month sooner, I'd have a consistently better registration time? That sucks...

4/16/2008 10:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you include the Class of 2008 in this survey, when we don't have a telebears appointment this semester?

Take a class in survey design.

4/16/2008 11:11 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

11:11, you get what you pay for, alright?

I didn't know if they gave the class of 2008 a TeleBears time despite the fact that you will also be applying to graduate, and I wanted to be over-inclusive.

4/16/2008 11:15 AM  
Anonymous Hershey Hersh said...

When do we find out the results of the survey?

4/16/2008 11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

c'mon, 11:11. don't be an as*hole.

4/16/2008 12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's an asohole?

4/16/2008 1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're scoring at home, that's 10 points for you, 12:29. And 1:05? You get 11.

4/16/2008 1:24 PM  
Blogger tj said...

Talk about a big score - congrats to all of those who took action to get Admin Law in the fall. You spoke and administration listened.

Doesn't impact me at all, but good to see that some people seek constructive solutions to problems (and are ultimately successful).

4/16/2008 3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me if Admin law is helpful for the bar or for practicing in general? Because the M/Th timeslot--it's hard to imagine how it could conflict with more stuff!

4/16/2008 3:48 PM  
Anonymous Hershey Hersh said...

11:11 give me a break. What kind of bullshit troll nitpicks that sort of error? Everyone makes mistakes.

Also you are anonymous, so kindly stfu.

4/16/2008 3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:48--Admin is not particularly helpful for the bar. You'll go over standing/ripeness/mootness quickly, but that area of Constitutional Law is not a big testing area for the essays or the MBEs, and you certainly don't need an in-depth look at it to get any of those bar questions right.

Asking if Admin is helpful for practice is like asking if Tax is helpful for practice. Do you want to practice Tax? Then Tax is useful. Etc. So if you want to practice in an area of law that has a high degree of interaction with the administrative agencies (e.g. environmental, securities, immigration, healthcare) then yes, it will be helpful. Most industries are highly regulated, so having a familiarity could have broad usefulness. Also, it covers Legislation in about a day, making that one less class you'd need to take.

4/16/2008 10:29 PM  

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