Wow Again!
From Dean Tom's email this morning:
I am pleased to report that we have received more than 7,900 applications for the 270 places in the Class of 2012. We've never received this many applications in the School's history.
Seven thousand, nine hundred?? I'm so lucky to be here.
I am pleased to report that we have received more than 7,900 applications for the 270 places in the Class of 2012. We've never received this many applications in the School's history.
Seven thousand, nine hundred?? I'm so lucky to be here.
posted by Patrick Bageant at 11:26 AM
23 Comments:
Patrick, Boalt consistently gets 7000+ applicants for ~800 admits, giving us an acceptance rate slightly north of 10%. People must really love concrete.
Given the rising cost of tuition, the increasing size of the hole in the courtyard, and mass layoffs across America, I don't understand why anyone would be applying to any law school, let alone ours. People are crazy.
Maybe because they don't have anything else to do instead! Three years is a long time to be tied up in school. These people are probably hoping that by the time they get out things will be better.
In a rush, but three thoughts.
7900 is still higher than ever before -- it's just shy of half the size of town in which I grew up!
That drives our admittance rate down to a scant 3.4%.
Lastly, I doubt the increase in applicants has much to do with the economy. These folks decided to go to law school, began taking the LSAT, prepping their apps,, etc., well before the stock market crashed. I think it's more likely related to last years' bump in the USNWR rankings.
I think a small portion of the increase is due to the economy. People can take the LSATs pretty darn late in the game, and on top of that, the economy started going South several months ago... people with better foresight than myself might have seen how bad it was going to get and planned accordingly.
Also, applicants to professional and grad schools have increased across the board, so if the higher number doesn't reflect this now, it certainly will next year. Not a good time to aspire to higher education, competition-wise.
Patrick, it's higher by a few hundred at most. And your math is just completely wrong. 270 is the number who matriculate, not the number who are admitted. A 3.4% admission rate would make YLS seem like clown college. We roughly admit 800 first year JD applicants each year.
Yes, but I didn't say admittance.
Oh wait, I did. Damn. I didn't mean to, though. Honest mistake, sort of like Irish revelry.
Anyone else wanting to apply to B-school to delay loans after "Black Thursday"?
Do we need a Black Thursday post? Or is there really nothing to say about that?
I'm curious as to whether our matriculation rate changes much from year to year. Clearly the number of applications received goes up every year, and even more so in a down economy like this, but I can't get a handle on whether that seems like it will affect the matriculation rate. I mean, we're still basically competing with the same other schools for more or less the same candidates, right? Or will they admit fewer people this year to fill the same number of slots?
The only thing I would say is that 3Ls just need to be prepared to either have their offer rescinded or have their start date pushed back. I'm not saying it will happen but maybe wait and see on those non-refundable bar trips, etc.
Not to be a downer but I think being smart and sensible is a good quality in this economy.
I've been the chicken little here for the past couple months, but have been holding off on starting an open thread for 3Ls on the topic.
I'm not trying to be a downer either, but it's almost certainly going to get worse than today. We'll have an open thread in the near future, guaranteed.
Patrick,
I echo your excitement and astonishment of being accepted. 7,900...that's four times the size of the town I grew up in!
I didn't even send that much money in with my application...
any thoughts on previously hosting admit students? how committed are you to driving them around and stuff?
Any thoughts on how hosting admitted students could help or hurt 3Ls in this economy?
2 thoughts:
patrick, i echo your sentiment in that i'm lucky as hell to be at boalt. i think you neglected to mention, however, that we should also be proud as hell to be boalties. this law school is clearly one of the very, very best law schools in the country. although u.s. news has us 6, knowing what i know now, there's not another law school in the land i'd rather be, including any of the 5 supposedly ahead of us. starting from the admin, down to faculty, to students, to custodians, boalt (i will never call it berkeley law) is first-rate. i think we sometimes get too caught up in bitching about the construction or temporary delays in journal office space or any other small roadbumps to realize how fortunate we really are.
next, as a 2L, my deep condolences to the 3Ls for today's awful news. perhaps a thread for 3Ls to relate their experiences/thoughts?
What awful news?
Hmm . . . is it this? Nah, probably this.
9:08--Is your terrible news about the apparent malfunction of your shift key?
11:53:
It is a blog. Relax. And don't try to work at Quinn.
I know I'm dating myself, but when I first started using AIM in the mid 90s (when MTV had watchable dating shows), I always used proper punctuation and capitalization. As techno communication grew more prevalent, the English language suffered. Now, people write everything like it's a f***ing text message. maybe im jst h8in.
About six months ago I read a fascinating article on this very topic. I no longer have any idea where it was or who wrote it, but it described changes in email punctuation from the mid-90's onward (e.g., "e-mail" to "email"), and the influence that texting has had on email punctuation. It analogized that influence to mainstreaming of slang, and to historical examples where one language has bled into another. It concluded with the observation that (1) it's natural, (2) it's inevitable, and (3) for better or worse, people are sensitive to it. "c u l8ter" creates a very different effect in the recipient's mind than, "I will see you later."
Though perhaps the effect on Armen is different than most.
Armen you must appreciate Date My Mom at least a little...
The same way I appreciate people pronouncing processes as process-EASE. Singled Out, on the other hand, the Strunk & White of MTV dating shows.
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