Sixteen Tons
[Update 5/08/2009 (Patrick): Higher Salaries for UC's New Administrators.]
As a commentator notes in the thread below, it will cost$2,864.68 $4,903 more to attend Boalt next year. But hey, it's always darkest right before it gets even worse, right? Just think: we could be in the class of 2015. What will tuition be then?
Now, that's a load off.
As a commentator notes in the thread below, it will cost
Now, that's a load off.
Labels: Legal Education Costs
posted by Patrick Bageant at 8:29 PM
30 Comments:
Once the facilities are upgraded there may be little difference between this public law school and a similarly ranked private school.
Not sure if that's good or bad, but it's certainly DE's plan.
More expensive, yes, and most of the money is being poured into "Edley grants." So there will be two Boalt Halls. Full price for those without the favor of our leader, and reduced price for those close to throne. Grrrrreat.
(citable sources are hard to come by, but see this survey and some discussion of the Summer Fellowship Program here)
(and finishing the math just on Summer Fellowship: 132, or about half, of the class gets $4,000. The other half doesn't. To pay for this, you raise everyone's tuition $4,000 and transfer it from one half to the other. Oddly, this lines up relatively well with the amount tuition's been going up...)
They should wait to raise the tuition until the facilities are upgraded then.
9:50 - facility upgrades are funded via a bond that is secured by specific increases in tuition - needed to have that increase before the bond would have been issued.
if you're going to complain, please be accurate. fees will be $4,903 more next year. see http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/regents/regmeet/may09/j2.pdf (p. 6). also has the projected tuition for 2011-12 for planning purposes, though if the state goes off the cliff this month, who knows where tuition will be.
on the 1L/2L summer fellowships, it's not like those are increasing...so how can you place blame there?
our tuition still remains below other peer public schools. michigan's at $41,500 and our friends at UVa are paying $38,800.
i think the real question is what to do now that the legal market ain't what it used to be. part of the rationale behind a high professional degree fee probably rested on the assumption that graduates would find lucrative jobs. (and those that didn't would get lrap.) given that assumption may no longer hold, what now?
This report is inaccurate (and it's the Sharks fault, not Patrick's). The tution will increase by 9.3%, but that is not the majority of our fees. According to UC Regents, tuition next year (including health insurance) will be $10,207. But the professional degree fee, which accounts for the lion's share of our fees, will increase by 19% to $25,283! That brings total fees for next year to $35,490. But that shouldn't be a surprise because we were told in 2007 that fees would increase by an average of 15% per year to bring us to $40,000+ tuition by 2010-2011 school year.
you beat me to it 10:09. that's what I get for hyperlinking my post.
What a rip-off. I wish I had gone to a lower ranked school for less money.
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i will not be bitchy. finals are almost over.
Wow 48,000 for out of state tuition. I sure hope I am able to get in state for next year.
This makes me so mad. Edley forgets we're a public school - it shouldn't be this expensive. A state like CA should be able to provide a good school at a decent price.
12:40, in the words of Apu Nehasepimapetalon (sp?), "I don't know which part of thaat sentence to correct first."
You're not a Californian are you? Because if you were you'd now have about an entire decade of gross mismanagement of the state budget as proof that no school can rely on the good graces of the Legislature for funding. Edley's doing the only viable thing for the school to remain a flagship. Yeah it sucks that you're paying 200% more than the Class of 2003 or whatever, but the alternative is much worse. As they say in the Army, "embrace the suck."
I agree with Armen. No state should be required to maintain a top 10 lawschool at a subsidized cost. You're the one who wanted to go here for prestige - expect to pay the cost similar to that of other peer public schools at least.
If you want it cheaper, go to one of the other public law schools. Simple as that.
No one said a top-10 law school. CA should have a solid school at a decent price. Even friggen' Davis is over $32k. Hastings is also over $32k. UCLA is $31k.
Well actually, Berkeley has been a top 10 school for quite a while without being this expensive.
Concerning rankings I'm not sure I think the increase in tuition is going to help. One of Berkeley's major things it had going for it was its low tuition. That seems to be going out the window.
What about next year when they project in state tuition to go to $48,000? What does that mean for out of state? I believe that if those tuition raises take place Berkeley will become the most expensive school in the country.
So in the span of 5 years Berkeley goes from one of the best bargains in legal eduction to the most expensive law school in the country.
Aren't the rankings largely dependent on reputation and student numbers? If Boalt kept its tuition way down relative to other "peer" schools, we would have a huge competitive advantage in attracting top students, especially these days. Our numbers would stay high, and theoretically those top students would keep our reputation high.
TJ, which "other public law schools" are you referring to? I think CA only has four (or five with Irvine, which wasn't an option for most of us), and all of those are similarly expensive.
wow, thanks Berkeley:
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into electronic databases containing personal information belonging to
some UHS clients and their parents or spouses.
I'm a little cranky today (more so than usual), so no one should take what I say personally, but...
1. Anyone who says tuition when talking about California public schools loses credibility on the subject.
2. I certainly didn't say rankings. I said flagship. There's far more to it than rankings. But it doesn't surprise me that those living in la-la land where everything is just peachy immediately think of rankings as the reason why fees need to go up.
3. Are you all f*cking kidding me? Sitting in fancy shmancy renovated rooms, with nice chairs, using wireless internet in the classrooms, probably working at some non-profit over the summer thanks to a generous stipend, and complaining about your higher fees? Really? Fine if you want the cheaper education, you get the cheaper Boalt too. The one that was falling apart, had 3 permanent faculty members, and an endowment that rivaled some Nazi museums in Idaho.
4. Again, if you've remotely followed California politics for the past decade you'd realize that the Legislature will raid UC budgets to solve its own mess. Dean Edley saw this the second he arrived. Just prior to that fees doubled nearly overnight. Rather than let the Legislature consistently rob us, DE struck a deal with the Regents. We raise fees over several years (I think 5?), and they keep their grubby paws off the PDF. This is a must for any law school.
5. To keep the "oh my god, this is expensive" crowd happy, he also revamped LRAP so that it's one of the most generous in the country. If you are interested in the non-profit/government sector, the school will support your wishes. At the same time we get to have more permanent faculty members, that fancy student center that Dan's whining about, etc. etc. etc.
Basically, knee-jerk bitching about higher fees annoys the hell out of me because %age wise the classes in the middle of this decade saw some of the highest increases and had to put up with taking classes in Cell Block B.
I caught with Edley when we were filming a video for THAT day, and for what it's worth, he said he spends about 85% of his time speaking to groups of rich people, and begging them for money.
So it isn't as if he's just passing the costs onto us. He's been working his ass off to fund our projects, and I suspect we're merely paying the difference.
You know what is even more annoying than current students bitching about fees?
Former students telling students to stop bitching about those fees when they don't have to pay them.
We'll keep that in mind when DE comes asking for money again.
9:34 - I meant more in future terms - Boalt will become significantly more expensive compared to the other UC law schools over the next couple years. Mostly because people would gladly be willing to pay the difference if they were privileged enough to have the choice.
All that I've got to say this: "PBBBBBBTTT!!!!"
Get over it. The era where you could pull down a $100+k salary that would more than cover you tuition is over.
As a child of a man who was a high school foreign exchange student that visited Berkeley in 1963 and wanted more than anything else to go here, I just want you to tell you that I can't think of a better way to have spent my money.
The sound of his voice after I told him that I was going here was worth every penny. When I graduate, both of his children will have degrees from the one school that he wanted to go to more than anything.
He never got to go to school here. I did. There's no price that you can put on that.
12:40 - no one cares
Why so mean? I thought that was a nice story! Graduation time is about thinking about family and symbols and whatnot. So don't be a jerk. And go call your mother.
Yeah, that was a nice story. Way to make your dad proud, 12:40!
yeah 5:10...if you are going to be a prick save it for the one that matters.
5:10, who deeply cares about not caring, makes my head spin.
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