A Silver Cloud with a Black Lining
I just learned that some 1L's aren't taking any Civ Pro this semester. This is bad news in disguise. No Rule 26, but instead they get to suffer through Contracts, Property, and Torts, all at the same time. Plus LRW.
In the spring, they'll presumably get Crim, Civ Pro, Con Law, and WOA. And likely a kick in the shins to boot.
In the spring, they'll presumably get Crim, Civ Pro, Con Law, and WOA. And likely a kick in the shins to boot.
posted by Patrick Bageant at 6:26 PM
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Aren't they all taking Civ Pro, in 2 mega-super-mods?
Oh. Um, I dunno. That's not what I was told. But someone once told me President Bush would go down as the greatest leader in American history, so there's that.
No. I've seen 1L's schedules; some aren't in CivPro. I am pretty aghast.
captcha: dersh.
so.. there WILL be more civ II classes beyond next spring? or are they just never going to learn that half of the class? or is it all going to be smooshed together for them?
how precisely did this happen?
as a 1L, i can attest that while six of the mods are taking Civ Pro, three of the mods have the other schedule: Crim, Contracts and Torts. next semester it'll switch. forgive my naivete, but i'm not sure why this is a big deal?
Civ Pro I and II will be combined into one for the 1Ls.
Personally, I think Crim, Contracts, and Torts in one semester is cruel and unusual punishment. But whatever - at least they don't have to take a separate class to learn one of the most important parts of civil procedure: jurisdiction.
Crim, Contracts, and Torts does not sound as bad as Property, Contracts, and Torts, imho.
11:55, Civ Pro is pretty much the foundation of everything else.
As I'm sure Armen will attest, that class "really ties the room together." Does it not?
Just an FYI... not everyone agrees with this. Civ Pro is by far the most self-teachable class you take as a first year, which makes sense since rules & jurisdiction are generally non-controversial (though Erie is tough to nail down at first).
My mod had Torts, Contracts, and Crim. It just sucks when you're reading a case and have no clue what "demurrer" means. By about November I think I figured out that it didn't matter.
Heh, heheh. Armen didn't know what a demur was. Then he figured it out: "it doesn't matter."
Drab cynicism from a crusty old fart, or clever wordplay in defining the classic legal defense?
You be the judge.
Uh, "demurrer." But whatever.
Toney,
I disagree about Civ Pro being non-controversial. Consider Sen. Specter's bill to overturn Iqbal and Twombly. Civ Pro controversies may not be hot news on CNN (what can compete with Michael Jackson?), but they are hugely important for private law enforcement of consumer rights.
Fair enough. I should have said "generally less controversial". Especially the material you learn in civ pro I & II.
Toney,
You learned about Twombly in Civ Pro I. Prof. Swift is ashamed of you right now.
How are 1Ls supposed to write a brief in WOA if they don't even know what summary judgment is?
I would imagine you could cover enough summary judgment in one class to give 1Ls enough information to write a brief. Especially when you give them a template version of the standard.
As a TA last spring I can tell you that most of the 1L's don't know what summary judgment is, whether they take Civ Pro or not.
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