Sunday, August 23, 2009

A Silver Cloud with a Black Lining

I just learned that some 1L's aren't taking any Civ Pro this semester. This is bad news in disguise. No Rule 26, but instead they get to suffer through Contracts, Property, and Torts, all at the same time. Plus LRW.

In the spring, they'll presumably get Crim, Civ Pro, Con Law, and WOA. And likely a kick in the shins to boot.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't they all taking Civ Pro, in 2 mega-super-mods?

8/23/2009 7:02 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Oh. Um, I dunno. That's not what I was told. But someone once told me President Bush would go down as the greatest leader in American history, so there's that.

8/23/2009 7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No. I've seen 1L's schedules; some aren't in CivPro. I am pretty aghast.

captcha: dersh.

8/23/2009 7:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so.. there WILL be more civ II classes beyond next spring? or are they just never going to learn that half of the class? or is it all going to be smooshed together for them?

how precisely did this happen?

8/23/2009 9:27 PM  
Anonymous emily said...

as a 1L, i can attest that while six of the mods are taking Civ Pro, three of the mods have the other schedule: Crim, Contracts and Torts. next semester it'll switch. forgive my naivete, but i'm not sure why this is a big deal?

8/24/2009 11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Civ Pro I and II will be combined into one for the 1Ls.

Personally, I think Crim, Contracts, and Torts in one semester is cruel and unusual punishment. But whatever - at least they don't have to take a separate class to learn one of the most important parts of civil procedure: jurisdiction.

8/24/2009 1:57 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Crim, Contracts, and Torts does not sound as bad as Property, Contracts, and Torts, imho.

8/24/2009 2:43 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

11:55, Civ Pro is pretty much the foundation of everything else.

As I'm sure Armen will attest, that class "really ties the room together." Does it not?

8/24/2009 5:22 PM  
Blogger Toney said...

Just an FYI... not everyone agrees with this. Civ Pro is by far the most self-teachable class you take as a first year, which makes sense since rules & jurisdiction are generally non-controversial (though Erie is tough to nail down at first).

8/24/2009 5:27 PM  
Blogger Armen said...

My mod had Torts, Contracts, and Crim. It just sucks when you're reading a case and have no clue what "demurrer" means. By about November I think I figured out that it didn't matter.

8/24/2009 5:41 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Heh, heheh. Armen didn't know what a demur was. Then he figured it out: "it doesn't matter."

Drab cynicism from a crusty old fart, or clever wordplay in defining the classic legal defense?

You be the judge.

8/24/2009 7:07 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Uh, "demurrer." But whatever.

8/24/2009 7:09 PM  
Blogger Mike said...


I disagree about Civ Pro being non-controversial. Consider Sen. Specter's bill to overturn Iqbal and Twombly. Civ Pro controversies may not be hot news on CNN (what can compete with Michael Jackson?), but they are hugely important for private law enforcement of consumer rights.

8/24/2009 10:19 PM  
Blogger Toney said...

Fair enough. I should have said "generally less controversial". Especially the material you learn in civ pro I & II.

8/24/2009 10:22 PM  
Blogger Mike said...


You learned about Twombly in Civ Pro I. Prof. Swift is ashamed of you right now.

8/24/2009 10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are 1Ls supposed to write a brief in WOA if they don't even know what summary judgment is?

8/25/2009 3:02 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

I would imagine you could cover enough summary judgment in one class to give 1Ls enough information to write a brief. Especially when you give them a template version of the standard.

8/25/2009 3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a TA last spring I can tell you that most of the 1L's don't know what summary judgment is, whether they take Civ Pro or not.

8/25/2009 3:06 PM  

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