2010 OCIP Callbacks: The Callback
Comments are filling up the other thread, so creating a new thread. Continue to follow the rules set forth in the other thread and L'Alex's continued guidance. I'm just filling in to keep the discussion going.
On a related note, a commenter in the other thread asked about thank you notes...immediately after a comment by an alumn last night regarding thank you notes. Maybe the commenter wants confirmation about the advice, so I'll formally confirm that 8:27's advice is pretty much consensus among attorneys:
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Alameda County DA's Office +
Allen Matkins, SF+/-
Alson & Bird, DC+
Arnold & Porter, DC-, SF+
Baker Botts, DC+, Houston+
Baker Hostetler, Den-
Baker McKenzie, SF+, SV+
Bingham, SF+
Boies Schiller, Oak+/-, NY+/-
Bracewell & Giuliani*, NY +
Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, Den +/-
Bryan Cave, LA+/-, SF+
Cadwalader, NY+
Cahill Gordon*, NY+
Chadbourne & Parke, LA+
Cleary, Gottlieab, Steen & Hamilton, NY+/-
Covington & Burling, DC-, SD+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Cooley, NY+, SD-, SF+/-, SV+
Cox Castle, LA+
Cravath, Swaine and Moore, NY+/-
Crowell & Moring, DC+/-, LA+/-, SF+/-, OC-
Curtis Mallet-Prevost, NY+
Davis Polk, SV+/-, NY+/- (? is this right?)
Davis Wright Tremaine, Sea+
Debevoise & Plimpton, NY +/-
Dechert, Phil+, SV+
Dewey & LeBouf, NY+/-
Drinker Biddle, SF+
Faegre & Benson*, Minn+
Farella Braun, SF+/-
Fenwick & West, SV+
Finnegan Reston, SV+/-
Fish & Richardson, SD+, SV+
Foley Lardner, SF+
Fox Rothschild, LA-
Fried Frank*, NY +
Freshfields, H.K.-, Lon-, NY+
Gibson Dunn, LA+/-, NY+/-, OC+, SF-
Goodwin Procter, Bos+, LA+, SF+/-, SV+
Greenberg Taurig, SV+/-
Gunderson Dettmer Stough Villeneuve Franklin & Hachigian, SV+
Hanson Bridgett, SF+
Haynes and Boone, Dal+, SV+
Hogan Lovells, DC+, NY+
Holland & Knight, SF+/-
Hooper Lundy, LA+, SF+
Howard Rice, SF+/-
Howrey, SF+, SV+
Irell and Manella, LA+/-, OC+/-
Ivins Phillips, DC+
Jeffer Mangels, LA +/-
Jenner and Block, Chi+, LA+
Jones Day, DC+, LA+/-, SD+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
K&L Gates, SV+
Katten Muchin Rosenman*, LA+
Keker & Van Nest*, SF+/-
King & Spalding, SV+
Kirkland & Ellis, LA-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Knobbe Martens, DC+, OC +, SV-
Kramer Levin, NY+/-
Latham & Watkins, DC-, LA+/-, NY+, OC-, SD+, SF+/-, SV+/-
Loeb & Loeb, LA+/-
Mayer Brown, Chi+, SV-
McDermott, LA-, SV-
Morgan Lewis, LA+, SF+/-, SV+/-
Morrison & Foerster, LA+/-, SD+/-, SF +/-, SV-
Munger Tolles, LA+/-
Nixon Peabody, SF+
O'Melveney & Myers, DC+/-, LA+/-, OC+/-, SF+/-, SV+
Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe, LA+, Sac+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Paul Hastings, LA+/-, NY+, OC-, SD-, SF+/-, SV+
Paul Weiss, NY+
Pepper Hamilton*, NJ +
Perkins Coie, Sea+/-, SV+/-
Pillsbury, DC+, LA+/-, SF+
Quinn Emmanuel, LA+, SF+, SV+/-
Reed Smith, SF+
Robins Geller -
Ropes & Gray, Bos+, NY+, SF+/-, SV-
Sedgwick, SF+
Shartsis Friese, SF+
Shearman, SF+
Sheppard Mullin, LA+/-, OC+, SF+/-, SV+
Sidley Austin, Chi+, DC+/-, LA+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Simpson Thatcher, LA+/-, NY+/-, SV+/-
Skadden, NY+/-, SF-, SV+/-
Steptoe, DC+/-
Stradling Yocca, OC-
Sullivan & Cromwell, LA+/-, NY+/-
Thompson & Knight, Dal+
Townsend, SF-, SV-
Vinson Elkins, DC+, Hou +/-
Wachtell, NY+/-
Weil, Gotshal & Manges, NY+/-, SV+
White & Case, LA+, SV+
WilmerHale, Bos-, Chi-, DC+/-, LA+/-, NY+/-, SV+/-
Wilson Sonsini, SD+, SV +/-
Winston & Strawn, DC+, LA-, SF+/-
*Non-OCIP / Pre-OCIP callbacks.
On a related note, a commenter in the other thread asked about thank you notes...immediately after a comment by an alumn last night regarding thank you notes. Maybe the commenter wants confirmation about the advice, so I'll formally confirm that 8:27's advice is pretty much consensus among attorneys:
Alum here - please, please do not send thank you notes if you can't write something specific to your conversation with the particular interviewer. (And even better, don't bother at all.) I received a two-sentence thank you email today (not from a Boaltie) that thanked me for my time and said the recruit had enjoyed learning about my firm. That was it. It was also the only thank you note I've received so far, and it definitely stands out--and not in a good way. Further, I'd submitted my review about that candidate days ago, so if the note was meant to help, it was too late anyway.Indeed, bonne chance.
I feel bad for the recruit--I'm sure the CDO at that school advised doing it and it was just executed poorly. But Boalties, you are better than this.
Also, it may bear repeating because I'm still running into it: have down-cold, non-lame answers for the questions (1) why my firm and (2) why this city. It does not matter in the slightest if you say the exact same thing to each person--we aren't going to be comparing notes and it will be better to have one good answer than try for six or more unique ones.
Good luck all of you!
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Alameda County DA's Office +
Allen Matkins, SF+/-
Alson & Bird, DC+
Arnold & Porter, DC-, SF+
Baker Botts, DC+, Houston+
Baker Hostetler, Den-
Baker McKenzie, SF+, SV+
Bingham, SF+
Boies Schiller, Oak+/-, NY+/-
Bracewell & Giuliani*, NY +
Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, Den +/-
Bryan Cave, LA+/-, SF+
Cadwalader, NY+
Cahill Gordon*, NY+
Chadbourne & Parke, LA+
Cleary, Gottlieab, Steen & Hamilton, NY+/-
Covington & Burling, DC-, SD+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Cooley, NY+, SD-, SF+/-, SV+
Cox Castle, LA+
Cravath, Swaine and Moore, NY+/-
Crowell & Moring, DC+/-, LA+/-, SF+/-, OC-
Curtis Mallet-Prevost, NY+
Davis Polk, SV+/-, NY+/- (? is this right?)
Davis Wright Tremaine, Sea+
Debevoise & Plimpton, NY +/-
Dechert, Phil+, SV+
Dewey & LeBouf, NY+/-
Drinker Biddle, SF+
Faegre & Benson*, Minn+
Farella Braun, SF+/-
Fenwick & West, SV+
Finnegan Reston, SV+/-
Fish & Richardson, SD+, SV+
Foley Lardner, SF+
Fox Rothschild, LA-
Fried Frank*, NY +
Freshfields, H.K.-, Lon-, NY+
Gibson Dunn, LA+/-, NY+/-, OC+, SF-
Goodwin Procter, Bos+, LA+, SF+/-, SV+
Greenberg Taurig, SV+/-
Gunderson Dettmer Stough Villeneuve Franklin & Hachigian, SV+
Hanson Bridgett, SF+
Haynes and Boone, Dal+, SV+
Hogan Lovells, DC+, NY+
Holland & Knight, SF+/-
Hooper Lundy, LA+, SF+
Howard Rice, SF+/-
Howrey, SF+, SV+
Irell and Manella, LA+/-, OC+/-
Ivins Phillips, DC+
Jeffer Mangels, LA +/-
Jenner and Block, Chi+, LA+
Jones Day, DC+, LA+/-, SD+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
K&L Gates, SV+
Katten Muchin Rosenman*, LA+
Keker & Van Nest*, SF+/-
King & Spalding, SV+
Kirkland & Ellis, LA-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Knobbe Martens, DC+, OC +, SV-
Kramer Levin, NY+/-
Latham & Watkins, DC-, LA+/-, NY+, OC-, SD+, SF+/-, SV+/-
Loeb & Loeb, LA+/-
Mayer Brown, Chi+, SV-
McDermott, LA-, SV-
Morgan Lewis, LA+, SF+/-, SV+/-
Morrison & Foerster, LA+/-, SD+/-, SF +/-, SV-
Munger Tolles, LA+/-
Nixon Peabody, SF+
O'Melveney & Myers, DC+/-, LA+/-, OC+/-, SF+/-, SV+
Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe, LA+, Sac+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Paul Hastings, LA+/-, NY+, OC-, SD-, SF+/-, SV+
Paul Weiss, NY+
Pepper Hamilton*, NJ +
Perkins Coie, Sea+/-, SV+/-
Pillsbury, DC+, LA+/-, SF+
Quinn Emmanuel, LA+, SF+, SV+/-
Reed Smith, SF+
Robins Geller -
Ropes & Gray, Bos+, NY+, SF+/-, SV-
Sedgwick, SF+
Shartsis Friese, SF+
Shearman, SF+
Sheppard Mullin, LA+/-, OC+, SF+/-, SV+
Sidley Austin, Chi+, DC+/-, LA+/-, SF+/-, SV+/-
Simpson Thatcher, LA+/-, NY+/-, SV+/-
Skadden, NY+/-, SF-, SV+/-
Steptoe, DC+/-
Stradling Yocca, OC-
Sullivan & Cromwell, LA+/-, NY+/-
Thompson & Knight, Dal+
Townsend, SF-, SV-
Vinson Elkins, DC+, Hou +/-
Wachtell, NY+/-
Weil, Gotshal & Manges, NY+/-, SV+
White & Case, LA+, SV+
WilmerHale, Bos-, Chi-, DC+/-, LA+/-, NY+/-, SV+/-
Wilson Sonsini, SD+, SV +/-
Winston & Strawn, DC+, LA-, SF+/-
*Non-OCIP / Pre-OCIP callbacks.
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 4:29 PM
13 Comments:
After a callback, how long do we wait before worry about not having heard back?
Last year, I got my offers 2-3 weeks after my callbacks.
Please brush your teeth or something before your callbacks. I interviewed a non-boaltie yesterday and could smell the bad breath across the desk.
thanks & good luck!
Last year, before I realized that thank you notes were generally a bad idea, I went on a callback with a NY-based firm in San Francisco. During the interviews, neglected to gather business cards or to write down who I met with, assuming that I could look up my interviewers via photo and profile on the firm's website. When I got home, I discovered that the firm's site posted photos of partners but not associates. Undeterred, I tried to guess who I had met with by staring really hard at their names. Eventually, I convinced myself that I had guessed who my interviewers had been and emailed out thank yous. Imagine my chagrin upon receiving this response:
"I will be out of the office on disability leave from September 9, 2009 likely until the end of the year. If you need immediate assistance please contact my secretary, x at (xxx) xxx-xxxx. Thank you."
Don't send a thank you unless you want to follow up on a specific connection with a particular interviewer. And remember his or her name. The blanket thank you game is not worth the candle.
On the topic of thank you notes, I've generally already sent in my evaluation of interviewees long before I ever get a thank you email, so, it's not likely the note will really change anything.
As for the alumni advice Armen repeats in the original post, DEFINITELY have answers for why my firm and why this city. And those answers should be longer than a few sentences.
One slight disagreement though, as to the statement that "we aren't going to be comparing notes," at least at my firm, don't be so sure. We don't necessarily get together and fact-check everything you said, but we do talk and sometimes figure out that a candidate said one thing to one attorney and a different thing to another attorney. This comes up most often in people's answers to what department they are interested in. I presume people feel like, if they are interviewing with an attorney in one department, they need to tell that attorney that they are interested in that department. But when you tell an attorney in our employment litigation department your #1 interest is that department, then tell an attorney in our general litigation department your #1 interest is that department, we'll probably find out and you won't like the result.
anyone else with zero callbacks or zero offers? what's your plan now? ocip killed my desire to be a lawyer. i know i will probably find a way out but right now, with the fall break on, i just want to go live in the woods. i want to burn the casebooks too.
anyone hear from Lieff Cabreser?
I vote for either: Mod updates post, or someone makes me active status and I will.
No callbacks--> Spending fall break on a Kips barstool
Baker Botts, SV -
Baker Botts, Dallas -
Lieff Cabraser, SF-
Bingham, SV+
Altshuler Berzon, SF+
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