Fall 2011 OCIP
The wizards that decide these things announced today that Fall 2011 OCIP is going down the week of Aug. 8. For those of you keeping track, that's the week before school starts, continuing the progressive calendar creep that we've seen the last few years. There are obvious benefits here (being able to actually attend those $40k/year classes chief among them), but for those like me who never went to class anyway, there are also some serious drawbacks. For instance, as Terry G puts it, you will have to end those summer jobs a bit early. In addition, Diablo III isn't going to beat itself.
OCIP 2016 O/U: two weeks before you apply for Boalt.
Full text of email after the jump.
posted by Toney at 6:07 PM
60 Comments:
From: "T*rrence J. Gallig*n"
Date: January 11, 2011 2:13:07 PM PST
To: xxx, xxx
Cc: xxx
Subject: CDO: Important Change To Timing of Fall Recruiting
Dear Students:
We are emailing about an important change to our fall semester on-campus interview program (OCIP). We wanted to let you know now so you can plan your summer and fall accordingly. For the fall 2011 semester, nearly all of our on-campus interviews will take place over the course of a single week (August 8-12) prior to the start of classes. If you plan to participate in on-campus recruiting, your work obligations will need to end prior to August 8 and you will need to be physically present in Berkeley during that week.
We made this change partly as a result of recent developments in the legal hiring market, but also in response to student feedback. We also consulted with the Dean, several faculty members, employers, student leaders and committee representatives, as well as senior administrators.
Legal Market Developments
Adopting an early interview week (EIW) schedule will better align the timing of our on-campus interviews with those of students from other schools with whom our students compete for positions. Some schools have recently announced their intention to move their on-campus interviews earlier in the fall of 2011. Moreover, during the last recruiting season, employers appeared to have scheduled callback interviews earlier than in years past. Scheduling an early interview week here at Boalt responds to these trends in a way that we believe will maximize our students’ employment options.
Student Feedback
In our recent OCIP Survey (and during less formal meetings and email exchanges), many students expressed increased difficulty in simultaneously balancing the demands of coursework and interviewing during OCIP 2010. They felt -- and we agree -- that students who participate in OCIP will be better prepared for classes and have a more meaningful educational experience if OCIP takes place prior to the start of the fall semester. OCIP participants can also research employers more thoroughly and better prepare for interviews without the worry of fall semester class obligations.
Private Sector Employers
We expect that the vast majority of EIW participants will be private sector employers. They have always constituted the vast bulk of OCIP participants (because, among other things, they hire larger numbers of students and are able to project their hiring needs further in advance than employers in other sectors).
Public Interest, Government and Small Firm Employers
However, in addition to EIW, we will also be offering employers an option to interview on-campus later in the fall semester (late September/early October). We are hopeful that creating a later fall option will make it more appealing for public interest, public sector and smaller firms to participate in on-campus recruiting. While we have always sought to increase the number of public interest/public sector and small firms participating in OCIP, it has been consistently difficult to entice them. (Annually, we invite several thousand of them to participate free of charge, but only a couple of dozen typically accept). They are reluctant in part because on-campus recruiting is not a good tool for their limited hiring needs, but also because the typical August timing is too early for them. We believe that a separate program that takes place later in the fall will be an effective vehicle for building more robust participation among public interest and government employers as well as smaller firms.
Increased participation will help our committed public interest/public sector students, but we know that they will continue to face the prospect of a longer and more customized job search than many of their private sector classmates. That is why our two full-time public interest career counselors and our full-time public sector counselor stand committed to working one-on-one with students to develop an individualized strategy, only a small part of which is likely to include on-campus recruiting.
For some general background about fall on-campus recruiting, visit last year’s Fall OCIP webpage.
Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns.
T*rry Gallig*n
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I'll take the under on 2016. And I heard that OCIP for the class of 2020 started yesterday.
Class of 2024: We will need a copy of your best finger-painting by this Thursday.
Thanks,
CDO
Holy Sh!t, there's a Diablo 3!?!
Can we please have a thread about the school's negligence in allowing these bizarre homeless people to roam the hallways and library. There seems to be even more this semester. You guys can all preach tolerance, but I hope the school does something before someone is raped or seriously injured. While as a male I feel secure at this school at night, there's no chance I'd be here if I was female. This is a school, not a mental asylum.
They are just prepping for the 2032 OCIP, which happens next Thursday.
Homeless people roaming the halls is one of the perks of attending a public institution!
Homeless people... they love to rape!
Homeless people are all dangerous. Women are all helpless victims.
I see your point, 9:24.
Yeah, when it's cold outside we should definitely make sure there are no homeless people in the law school because the comfort of privileged individuals should trump the health and safety of homeless people every time.
I fucking hate the holier than thou liberals at Boalt. You are the people that led to People's Park, rather than the development of housing for college students... on college property. But no, we should definitely let homeless people come sleep in the hallways, shit in the classrooms, and generally make students uncomfortable. Your ideology is brilliant, and your lack of concern for fellow students and the integrity of the school should be deemed selfless. You are an all star, and I wish to give you a smiley face sticker. Take THAT you slimy conservatives!
In fairness, 11:14, I've only ever seen feces in the hallways, not in the classrooms. And a lot of that came from students leaving Skl**sky's Evidence exam last finals period, so we can't blame the homeless for all of it.
Diablo 3 is going to make me fail the bar.
Thanks Blizzard!
---NERD ALERT---
I played 2.5 hrs/day of Team Fortress 2 during bar study period (a good way to let out study frustrations) and passed the bar.
I logged ~2 hours a day of Starcraft II, Uncharted 2, DQIX, etc., while studying for the bar, and I also passed.
But it's scientifically impossible to play Diablo 3 for less than 180 hours a week. So there's that.
I'd like to see a game where you can play as either a law student or a homeless person. Each side would have specific goals. Homeless people would try to sneak into the library ceiling without getting caught, while law students would get points based on how many other law students heard their complaints about homeless people.
Only on this blog can a post about OCIP turn into a stupefying rant on violent incontinent homeless people. Chaaaange, CHAAAAAAAAANGE.
You know, if there were a game where the player is a homeless person in Boalt Hall, and points were earned by either shitting in classrooms or raping students, I bet it'd really sell.
I really like the idea that while homeless people that have access to classrooms would also have access to Boalt's bathrooms, they prefer to shit in the classrooms.
9:24,
JP?
9:24pm does have a valid point. It's a shame the rest of the commenters (and the school) doesn't take it too seriously. As an actual Boalt female student and not alumni just commenting here (maybe this was less of an issue when you all were here), last semester reading period, I did feel uncomfortable at times studying late at night in a nearly empty reading room with several transients who were NOT minding their own business.
If you were a female who actually studied at Boalt these days, you would probably already know who these people were and try to steer clear of them. Yes, there are transients who roam our hallways who are also very harmless and very polite, but there are also a few who keep coming back who are a little sketchier.
Considering the events last semester with the female locker room at the gym, we DO have a right to be at last slightly concerned, okay.
Aside from the last commenter, I would say that Nuts & Boalts is back to normal: offensive, inappropriate, and making me ashamed to go here. Note that we only got people flipping out about "tone" when it was actual students posting about Dean Edley. I guess when the normal posters all come back that's not a fair critique.
Homeless people, or ANY non-law student or faculty member, shouldn't get to wander Boalt hall after normal business hours. Allowing open access at night simply invites safety issues.
If you are so concerned about giving people a place to stay at night, how about you start leaving your house unlocked at night with a sign outside inviting people in.
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feeling: All of them are valid.
If you are so concerned about transients in the library late at night, you should probably bring it to the attention of the CSOs and the people at the doors of the library. After all, they are paid to make sure only law students are allowed to enter the library after hours.
Good point. I will have to do that from now on.
In the last 10 years, there has been:
0 sexual assaults perpetrated by homeless people against students.
1 sexual assault perpetrated by Deans against students.
According to RAINN, 73% of rape victims know their attacker beforehand.
Can we please just think before we start up the rhetoric about the part of our society that is the worst off?
Seeing as this post has been hijacked by comments about homelessness, I'd like to share two (somewhat related) anecdotes from my brief experience at Harvard Law School.
(1) I once saw a scraggly man with an unkempt beard and a mane of nappy grey hair play the piano in the HLS cafe. I'm not much of a classical music fan, but seeing this man perform was quite moving. The normally bustling cafe fell silent as he played; students and patrons just sat there listening with rapt attention. After he finished to the applause of appreciative law students, I overheard the guy who ran the cafe strike up a conversation with the pianist. He didn't speak English very well, but it turns out the bearded musician was a visiting Austrian astrophysics professor (at another university) who gave up a professional music career to join academia. I didn't stick around long enough to hear what he was doing at Harvard.
About a week later, I passed by the cafe just in time to see a burly police officer (roughly) throwing the homeless-looking professor out of the building for "trespassing on private property". I've never seen him since.
(2) I once took a class at HLS taught by a professor who had spent the prior year teaching at Boalt. She was a fantastic instructor- unquestionably one of the best I had at either Berkeley or HLS. At one point during the term, we went out to lunch and I asked about her experience at Boalt. She told me that, while she loved the students, one of the reasons she chose not to stick around Berkeley was that she felt uncomfortable in the office space provided to her. Specifically, she lamented that her office was located next to a restroom in Simon that was frequented by a number of Berkeley's homeless to bathe. Those who would use the restroom for this purpose stored their toiletries in the ceiling tiles above the door to her office, often retrieving them for after-hour ablutions when no one was on the floor except the professor.
Wait, so 7:54 went to HLS? Just making sure.
"I would say that Nuts & Boalts is back to normal: offensive, inappropriate, and making me ashamed to go here."
You said BACK to normal, right? So for a while, at least, we failed to make you ashamed to go here? Armen, get on this. See that it doesn't happen again.
Lovely thread.
A lot of the comments here that might be borderline offensive or inappropriate were just reactions to 9:24 and 11:14. People found some of their more alarmist concerns silly, as do I.
That said, there's nothing silly about Actual Boalt Female Student 5:33's complaint that she feels uncomfortable when studying at the school at night. That sucks, I do think it was less of an issue when I was a student, and trying to get the school to address the problem makes a lot of sense.
9:24 here, I guess one of the weaknesses of the internet medium is the inability to convey tone or hyperbole. To make my point in a more serious manner, I feel like we have the right to feel comfortable when we study. Even as a guy, I'll admit I feel very uncomfortable when a homeless guy paces around the hallway and stares at me while I read for a good five minutes. If the school wants to do nothing about this, then fire the security guard and ID checkers, who while not caring about shady homeless people, will pester you every time you walk in to see you are not an undergrad. If you want to ignore the problem, at least stop wasting money even pretending to care.
9:24,
All of your feelings are not necessarily valid. Your gut reactions are products of your environment and upbringing.
Here's my guess about why you're so afraid of homeless people: You're straight through from undergrad. You grew up in a rich suburb, maybe LA, maybe NYC. I'm guessing while in high school you were privileged, you never really had to deal with homeless people (maybe you saw them from your car or something). Next, you went to undergrad. Maybe NYU, maybe U Chicago, maybe USC. You congratulated yourself on being in an urban area, yet you remained fearful and insulated from the surrounding population.
So, now you're at Boalt. You've attempted to displace your irrational fears of the other, fearing instead for "women" instead of yourself. You are, after all, a white male (gotta be tough, right?). I'm also guessing, and this is just a hunch, that you're the type of guy who rolls his eyes in crim law when rape gets discussed in anything other than the least feminist terms.
When push comes to shove, you've admitted to all of us how you really feel, you are "uncomfortable," (read: scared) when a homeless person looks at you. They are, afterall, "shady."
So, yes, white male from a presumably rich suburb, I can understand why you're uncomfortable. You're not used to cities, and you never made an effort to really become used to them. You've never been exposed to homeless people as people and you have not examined your feelings and why you might have them. You must not have really internalized the fact that homeless people are not more likely to commit violent crimes than the rest of the population and that most violent crime is committed by an attacker that knows his/her victim.
I'm also guessing, that when discussing this topic with other students face to face, you will continue to displace your fears on women, talking about how they need to be protected from the scary homeless men. After all, "While as a male I feel secure at this school at night, there's no chance I'd be here if I was female."
Try and examine where all of these thoughts and feelings are coming from. I can guarantee they're not emanating from the homeless people.
Yes, only privileged white men fear homeless people. And privileged white men are afraid of expressing their dislike of certain groups. I can't think of any organizations made up of privileged white men that overtly express disdain for certain group.
I hope you appreciate the irony of your own post: getting huffy that a person generalizes about hobos, then attacking that generalization with your own.
Um... I grew up with constant contact with the homeless. Most homeless people are fine, some have serious mental issues, which is why they are on the street in the first place.
My concerns at law school have nothing to do with homelessness. Instead, I think it is pretty self evident that it is a security issue to have random people wandering the hallways at night--homeless or otherwise.
There is no constitutional right to feel comfortable while studying.
Nobody's asserting a constitutional violation.
Do you go to law school?
2:44,
What's your point? I don't have a constitutional right to eat pizza, but that slice of pepperoni I ate earlier sure was tasty.
2:46,
Judging by your lack of sense of humor, I can tell that you go to law school.
Man, absolutely everyone is coming off well in this discussion.
Someone's stuff was stolen from the library today. It was probably a homeless person.
I once tried to examine my feelings and why I have them. I found it exhausting and unpleasant.
After some hard examining I've concluded that all of my thoughts and feelings, about everything, emanate from the homeless people. So 1:21's guarantee would not apply to me.
"I can guarantee they're not emanating from the homeless people."
How did no one make the obvious joke?
N&B: get your head in the game.
Can we have a thread about the new zodiac signs? I hate mine. Can I claim estoppel against the stars?
No, because you're asking for a thread about astrology. And because you used the word "estoppel" in a context that does not involve medieval common law doctrine.
I just got an email from the future. Apparently OCIP 2043 happened last Wednesday.
I am anxiously awaiting commentary on the recently released state bar exam stats. Boalt passage rate down and the remainder of the UC schools down right embarrassing.
Link?
Hang on hang on. That's a good idea for a thread so I'll create a post in a second.
I would find it incredibly distracting if my workplace allowed strangers to roam through the halls at night, especially if those strangers came off the street and were more likely than the average bear to have a serious chemical dependency, to be schizophrenic, or to be found washing themselves in our public restrooms while I try to urinate. I can't think of a single employer who would let this happen in an office. And I can't see a reason why a place of study should be any different from a place of work.
Berkeley Law students need and deserve an environment where they can do their hard work without having to cope with interruptions from people from the greater urban community.
Moreover, Diablo III is going to be awesome and I fully intend to be that hot demon slayer chick with the crossbow because that's totally badass.
Well we do attend a public school.
And you've clearly never worked for a city agency. Homeless people come into those work places all the time. Of course, there certainly are places where only employees are allowed, but still.
And law students have a place where they can study and do work without interruptions from the greater public. It's called HOME.
8:44 - You've clearly never worked for a homeless shelter.
9:23,
What makes you think 8:44 has never worked at a homeless shelter. I have worked at a homeless shelter, and nothing that 8:44 said is untrue.
...they obviously let homeless people roam the halls of your workplace if you work at a homeless shelter.
This thread has demonstrated some seriously dumb boalties. It makes me sad.
Lol.... No, actually they don't let homeless people "roam the halls" of a homeless shelter.
Only the living spaces are open to the homeless. And you often can't just walk in. You have to be checked in to the shelter. So it's not as though random people are allowed to come and go as they please.
Perhaps you have never worked at a homeless shelter?
I think the library has to be open to the public because it's a government repository, but I could be wrong. Anyone know more about this?
In any case, I like the implication that because undergrads can still be excluded during some hours, they must be subhuman. Despite our differences on the homeless question, I think we can all agree that undergrads are subhuman and undeserving of constitutional rights.
I'd prefer a dozen homeless people to one undergrad.
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