Boaltie Running for US Congress
Ricky Gill, of the class of 2012, has announced his candidacy for a seat in the United States Congress. He hopes to represent California's 11th District. Check out Gill's campaign website at http://www.rickygill.com/
While I will likely support the Democratic incumbent, Jerry McNerney, I am excited to see a Boaltie diving head-first into politics. And I admire his decision not to "wait his turn" and run despite his youth (he is 24).
While I will likely support the Democratic incumbent, Jerry McNerney, I am excited to see a Boaltie diving head-first into politics. And I admire his decision not to "wait his turn" and run despite his youth (he is 24).
posted by Corey at 1:07 PM
42 Comments:
I hate when people say "likely." Save it for a brief.
Lol, the newest way to deal with striking out at oci.
Pretty solid website for a first-time candidate. Best of luck Ricky!
Class of '11 Alum
McNerney sucks, Corey. Best of luck to Ricky. Also, that is a pretty darn good website.
another '11 Alum.
Can someone please take posting privileges away from Corey? It's bad enough to have to read his comments.
The following are comments which make him incredibly annoying/douchey:
1. Being a legal authority on what is valuable in our education after a full year of legal education.
2. Defending the school administration blindly without having they slightest idea what he's talking about.
And then there's this post with his endorsement of McNerny:
1. Who gives a shit who you support in the hotly contested 11th district election? The fact that you think anyone cares about your opinion is hilarious.
2. Your defense of the Democratic party is as shameless and blind as your defense of our school's administration.
3. Why would anybody from Boalt support this old partisan hack over someone from our school who at least has been educated in policy beyond one line slogans?
Seriously, we could have a congressman our age who understands the problems of 54% unemployment in the 25 and under category, and knows firsthand how to reform education and spend on it, or we could have another old blowhard who doesn't give a shit about young people and just wants to spend every last budget dollar on funding entitlement programs for seniors which will leave our generation further in the shithole.
I'm a huge liberal, but I'd love a voice from any side of the isle who speaks for our generation.
Anyways, these posts are so douchey and uninformed, so can we at least keep his privileges to just commenting.
Thanks.
11:16, the answer is no.
But.
We will give you the same privileges as Corey, including the power to make your own posts, if you want. Send an email to me or to Armen.
11:16, two quick things:
1) It's strange that, as a "huge liberal," you are so quick to call for censorship in response to comments that you did not like. Is free speech no longer a liberal value?
2) I'd ask that you give me the benefit of the doubt (I thought it was cool that someone from our school was running and I wanted to generate some conversation about it. In adding my own opinion, I was just throwing another element into that conversation. Really didn't mean any harm...); but if you can't, and you continue to take issue with the substance of my posts/comments, at least I will be able to say this for myself: I never hid behind the anonymous feature in order to tear down a fellow member of my community.
If you have anything else to say, I'd love to avoid wasting everyone's time and just speak directly. You can reach me at Corey.Laplante@gmail.com.
Free speech is a conservative value. And that's all I have to say about that.
Uh, not to derail the hate, but . . . . there's no free speech issue here. One site's decision to not allow someone to post their ideas has nothing to do with free speech as it is constitutionally or even popularly understood.
No, I am not the commenter who said all that stupid stuff about Corey.
10:04, I was appealing to the values of free speech (marketplace of ideas, not silencing someone just because we don't like what they say, etc); I was not saying that my first amendment rights have actually been violated...
Anyway, this thread has been derailed enough. I am gonna step aside and let conversation about the 11th District/Ricky Gill continue.
Right on, Ricky!
11:16 - The point of Corey's post was obviously to bring awareness of a Boaltie running, and not to endorse his opponent. Can you read? Do you even go to Boalt? If this were an LSAT reading comprehension question, the response you posted would be the first answer anyone would eliminate. Every word you wrote screams douchebag, and I almost threw up a little when I saw Patrick's offer to let you post here.
Anyway, congrats Ricky! Best of luck, though I also do not support your viewpoints. Oh no! The whole point of my post must have been to endorse someone in California's 11th district!!!
Toney--I hope that person does not go to Boalt. I would hope ET and his minions are able to weed out people who don't know the difference between "aisle" and "isle." An error like that isn't a typo, it's ignorance.
I thought it was a clever LOST reference.
11:16 is right. It's amusing that while his post was articulate and sharp, the immediate reaction is "he must not/I hope he doesn't go to Boalt." Is this why we need graded skills classes, because you idiots can't recognize intelligent writing? Who cares if people can write, or think, or speak intelligently on a subject, if they don't conform to the bullshit view that everyone's opinion is respectable, no matter how retarded, than they aren't worthy of Boalt. Sad.
8:10 (or shall I say 11:16 merely posting under another anonymoniker) -
While 11:16's writing may have been sharp and articulate, his entire premise was based on the misconception that Corey's post was an endorsement of some politician (it wasn't, not even remotely). It was his *reasoning* that we attacked, and that leads to my fears that he actually goes to Boalt.
For instance, he called Corey's post "douchey and uninformed". Yet, Corey's post merely informed people of Gill's candidacy, gave the campaign website, and said that he was "excited for" and "admired" Gill. If this douchey, what do you call your response? And what more is there to possible be informed about? Should Corey have given us Gill's personal cell #? Would that have satisfied you?
Next, we have your comment. The measure of solid legal writing isn't just how nicely your words line up. You also have to consider the substance underneath those words, an annoying reality that 11:16 completely ignored. Honestly, just read Corey's post and then 11:16's response, you'll see how overblown, misguided and poorly reasoned it was.
What is sad is the shit show that you morons are turning N&B into. Go play on ATL or somewhere.
8:10 != 11:16, for the record.
Also, he wasn't just attacking Corey for this post, but for all of them. Is this post super objectionable? Maybe not, though I agree that his blind/unsubstantiated support for the Dem is pathetic. In any event, it's many posts that bothers 11:16, not the one. Why must I explain this to you? It's obvious from his post. If you have a problem with people objecting to posters on this blog, then turn off the comments. So, again, I will repeat my point that no one has to respect Corey's posts, and the commentator has every right to voice his objection. And he should.
Toney complaining about new commenters turning N&B into a shitshow of morons is like an old man telling his kids that his oldies music had merit and all new music is garbage.
Guess what: it's the same as it ever was. 90% of Boalties that do read this blog do it just to laugh at you clowns for arguing about nothing. (I ran the numbers).
thank you for the continued entertainment
I don't know Ricky that well, but we were in R*ss' Legislation class Fall semester and I thought he was a pretty sharp guy. I'm rooting for him even if it doesn't sound like we're in the same political camp.
1:06 - That is a decent analogy, but, like classic rock, my brazen genius is beyond the likes of 8:10, etc. And anyway, while the tenor here is sinusoidal, we've been troughing lately.
11:50 - who says Corey's support is blind? And why does he have to substantiate it? Maybe he agrees with McNerney's positions. Maybe McNerney is his illegitimate father... who even cares? It is by no means pathetic that he doesn't justify why he will support him. And btw, he said "I will likely support"; this at least leaves a window of potential to be won over by Gill, which is an awfully rare position for most political observers.
Also, notice I'm not taking issue with the remainder of 11:16's dickish criticism, but am only focusing on his attacks on Corey's current post. Or don't, and post under yet ANOTHER time, claiming you aren't the same person. Next time, I will drop the truth on you.
Ok, I'll drop the truth now.
BOOM!
I love you, Toney
I don't mean to derail but I wasn't sure where to post: Does anyone have any grades yet? Should we get a grade chat going? Fuck it all and back to vidya games?
No grades talk until June. So yes, video games (or work) till then!
This isn't grades talk, it's torture talk. My property professor just sent out a memo saying that he submitted grades to the registrar, and they *should* be up tomorrow...however, he did send a memo with the answer and that said tests were "quite good." So we have all night to wait for grades while I imagine about how the smart people ruined the curve for me.
Nah, its grades talk.
Grade talk. Respect the embargo.
Apologies for initiating premature grade chit chat. Witcher 2 is badass if anyone is a PC gamer.
Can we also have a chat about dropping out for either us 2L OCI failures or 1Ls who got all or mostly all Ps (not counting IP or URM)?
As someone around top third maybe a bit better, I was barely able to find any kind of work this summer. As I look ahead to my now graduated 3Ls it seems like most of the ones I know not at a large firm will be unemployed and on mom and dad's couch for the foreseeable future with no job leads or hope of finding legal work.
Is it worth it to plop down 47k in tuition and rough it out, or is it just better to cut our losses. I'm having a hard time justifying dropping 47k so I can at best get a temp doc review job at 15/hr, which are the "success" stories I'm hearing from OCI strikeouts.
I have researched some jobs waiting tables where I can make much more than I would as an attorney (25/hr). Of 3L friends outside Biglaw and Clerking,that seems like an extremely high wage compared to the "jobs" they got. Worth it to stick it out?
Yes.
Having a JD from Berkeley is valuable beyond legal work. Even if you ended up working in some other sort of business role, having that sort of education on your resume goes a ways.
The alternative is to eat the 90k you invested without getting something valuable to put on your resume, and tangibly valuable in being admitted to the bar.
All these abstract comments talk about the degree's "value"? Do you have any actual examples of this?
I can name at least 10 3Ls I know without a job or making min wage, I cannot name one who got any value in the business world from the degree.
How many 3Ls do you know who landed non-legal well-paying jobs (by which I mean more than 50k/year)? I can tell you I know zero.
Here is the thing, 9:34. People said the same type of stuff about my philosophy degree and my writing degree. I still think they are valuable, though. And I dare you to prove me wrong.
Show me a person who went to law school solely to make money and I will show you a colossal screwup. As an industry, law will never, ever be the center of wealth in our culture. (Thank goodness!) Lawyers -- even the wealthiest -- serve to facilitate the interests of even wealthier people. That's the way it works. And that's true even for you non-profit people: every lawyer there is beholden to someone capable of paying their bill. This means that as hirees, instead of hireors, we lawyers are destined to no better than the second rung of the wealth latter (and 'likely' -- sorry, 2:39 -- a whole lot lower).
Is that a big deal? Well, it probably is a big deal if your idea of "value" is "something that translates to $$ in the business world." To those people, I say "more power to you, and don't go to law school." Go to business school. Study finance. Start a company. Do almost anything other than seek training that will chain you to a glorified form of wage labor. But for the rest of us -- for those of us whose idea of "value" is a tad more elastic than a dollar sign -- well, insane wealth ain't actually everything. If that's you, law might be a good fit. Maybe.
What you do with your short time on this earth is a deeply personal thing. All I can say to 9:34 is that if your comment reflects how you feel and if it reflects how you measure "value," then I'm sorry you went to law school. You shouldn't have. I don't mean that in a cruel way; I just mean that it sounds like it wasn't right for you. If nothing else, maybe you can learn from the experience that not everyone sees the world the same way you do.
The bottom line is this. When you say, "All these abstract comments talk about the degree's "value"? Do you have any actual examples of this?" I respond with . . . a sigh.
I really feel everything you said and I actually love school but its easy for you to get all preachy when you are pulling a monster of an income.
Its easy for you say that because you don't have a wife who hasn't been on her honeymoon and family who needs your support.
Its easy to preach the intangible value of a law degree pulling 200k a year and living a lavish life... But that intangible value can't support your loved ones. For many like me this must be weighed as a strictly financial decision and that does not mean we are greedy.
Well, your comment shows you know absolutely nothing about me. And I think that probably means I should acknowledge I know nothing about you. All the same, I remain confident we will both be better people for our experience at Boalt Hall.
What does a straight out of Princeton 24 year old know about anything? Especially one the worked for Frist.
9:34,
I'm not a OCI strikeout, but I was a 2010 grad who was no-offered like 1/4 of my class.
I'm am not working as a lawyer right now, but I'm working w/ legal issues but from the business side of things. According to your definition, I am well-paid. But it took a lot of leg work to get, and I was unemployed until January after graduation.
Things are going well. I enjoy a lot of aspects of my job, and I'm doing some truly interesting things. I also don't have to deal with the rigid hierarchy of a large firm that would have driven me insane.
But even though I enjoy working as a non-lawyer, it's possible for me to transition into a legal position or a firm if I want. Just this weekend, a friend from law school introduced me to a partner he works for. The partner was impressed with the business experience that I was getting, stating that it would translate will into private practice. After questioning if I would ever be interested in working for a firm, he asked me to stay in touch. Who knows, maybe in a few months I'll reach out to this partner and he'll try to bring me on-board.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions from my anecdote.
@Patrick: You try to contrast law with B-school, but you are ignoring the fact that our tuition is just as much (more?) than theirs. We are NOT talking about insane amounts of wealth. We are simply talking about being able to pay off our loans, and then maybe pay some rent/eat.
Haas is more expensive than Boalt (per semester, but an MBA is shorter than a PhD), or at least it was when they showed the numbers during the tuition hikes last year.
But that is beside the point. Education isn't a product, and tuition is not a price tag. A Philosophy degree, Theater degree and Electrical Engineering degree all cost the same amount too, despite wildly different career options. If the goal is to maximize $ return for tuition $ spent, Law School is not an ideal choice. Patrick's point, is he doesn't think that is really the goal.
Two points you are not addressing:
1. Dean Edl*y directly justified this tuition hike based on the fabricated info that the average Boalt graduate income is 160k.
2. Nobody is talking about maximizing an investment return. We are talking about expecting that a top law school education should not have students worrying about whether they will go hungry and have a roof over our head. Perhaps I am greedy to have thought that having food and shelter would be a given as a Boalt grad. I guess I should just savor the value of my degree.
No need to be overly dramatic. If you are unable to find ANY job which can fund EATING and SHELTER despite making it through 7+ years of higher education, you have bigger problems than your student loan debt. If all you can find is sub-40k employment, you just have to go into loan forebearance and keep looking. If you can't get that, consider turning to a life of crime, since thats basically all you've got. At least you hopefully know evidence law!
Witcher 2 is not badass. Do not recommend.
As someone who turned down Boalt, the bizarre bickering and sniping in the comments on this blog were one of the things that drove me away. I suppose all law students are like this but Boalties front like they're not.
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