The Futurue of LRAP?
Dean Edl*y sent out this email earlier today:
At any rate, I am sure opinions will be diverse on this issue! I look forward to seeing them in the comments.
Dear Friends,It seems like he provides some good context for why he is transitioning the program to be based on IBR. Admittedly I do not have the most complete knowledge of this issue, however. For example, I do not know what exactly the petition in question contained.
I recently received a petition signed by several Boalt students concerning the state of Boalt’s Loan Repayment Assistance Program (or LRAP). Realizing how important LRAP is to the School and to many of you, I write to share some of my current thinking about LRAP in the context of the University’s budget turmoil.
First, let me offer some background. Approximately fifteen years ago, Boalt established LRAP to enable our graduates to pursue careers in public service by assisting them with loan repayment. As Boalt tuition increased with state budget cuts, funding for LRAP similarly increased, most notably in 2006 (my second year here) when it was substantially reformed. Under the original guidelines, only a relative handful of students participated in the program because the parameters were so conservative. This reflected the lower tuition, and the consequently modest typical debt loads of students but also the far smaller Boalt budget, of which tuition revenue is by far the largest component. Under this revised LRAP, graduates became eligible for up to 100% repayment assistance on as much as $100,000 of law school debt. For students working in qualifying public sector employment, the result could be a $0 out-of-pocket debt repayment for LRAP participants as Boalt absorbed the tab on the amortizing loans.
Although this revised program was one of the most generous in the country, two developments prompted a further modification of LRAP in 2009. The first was rising tuition rates across the country at both colleges and professional schools, including here at Boalt. With 1Ls arriving with already significant undergraduate debt-burdens and 3Ls leaving with even larger ones, it quickly became clear that even our commitment to repay $100,000 of law school debt may not be enough to assist Boalt graduates interested in pursuing public interest careers.
At the same time, however, the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 (CCRAA) created both the Income Based Repayment (IBR) program and the Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) program that provided a way to address this challenge in a fiscally sound fashion. Under these two programs, any graduate who enrolls in IBR for their federal loans will make minimum monthly payments based on their income. And for those who consolidate or have all of their federal loans with the Direct Loan Program and make 120 scheduled monthly payments while working for qualified public interest employers, their remaining loan balance will be forgiven by the federal government. Based in large part on Boalt student input in 2008, we revised LRAP to take advantage of these benefits: Graduates pursuing a career in public sector work could consolidate law school as well as college loans and elect IBR. Berkeley would then provide assistance with making all or a prorated amount of IBR payments for ten years, at which time the remaining debt balance would be forgiven.
In my judgment, the move to IBR seems undeniably a win-win for both Boalt and our students.[1] Graduates can now pursue a career in public interest work regardless of the size of their law school and college debt burdens. Meanwhile, Boalt benefits by making the most efficient use of scarce financial aid resources, freeing up more money for other important grants and fellowships. That so many of our competitors have since emulated the manner in which we have integrated LRAP and IBR/PSLF seems to confirm the wisdom of this strategy.
Notwithstanding these benefits, however, the student petition as well as research by the Financial Aid Committee this year have highlighted two areas in which this strategy merits further review to ensure that LRAP is the best that it can be. One relates to the cost students could incur if they leave public sector work prior to making their 120 payments under IBR; the other focuses on the chance, which in my political judgment is remote, of adverse changes to CCRAA by Congress.
For this reason, I wanted to let you know that we will be inviting BHSA to work with the Financial Aid Committee next year to undertake a substantive review of these issues and to investigate the different approaches Boalt might take to address them in a reasonable fashion. BHSA’s involvement is especially important because almost all LRAP resources necessarily come from tuition revenue, making the program one in which students cross-subsidize each other over time and across careers. At this point I have no strong view about what alternative approaches might look like. We don’t even know how much further our state funds will be cut in the next six months, much less beyond that.
But for those of you graduating and who worry about the issues raised in the petition, I assure you that absolutely nothing is more important to me, or the faculty as a whole, than the robustness of our Financial Aid programs. They shape the character of the student body, and express a core component of Berkeley Law’s mission. Therefore, the Financial Aid Committee and BHSA will have my focused attention on this matter as they analyze these issues next year. I can also assure you that if we adopt positive changes to LRAP, I will make sure they are retroactive for the class of 2011—the “Hardhats”.
Sincerely,
Christoph[*]r Edl[*]y, Jr.
The Honorable William H. Orrick, Jr. Distinguished Chair and Dean
[1] I can’t resist adding that in 1987, presidential candidate Michael Dukakis proposed a very similar program, designed by Gene Sperling and me. I was national issues director for the campaign, and Sperling was my junior staffer on economic policy. He’s now director of the White House National Economic Council. I’m a fundraiser. But I’m not bitter.
At any rate, I am sure opinions will be diverse on this issue! I look forward to seeing them in the comments.
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So basically when a Republican congress repeals this as "wasteful spending", everyone will be left with mountains of debt. Awesome!
As an aside, were the IBR program to be repealed by Congress a few years down the road, could people in the program sue for an injunction that their debt would still need to be forgiven as an estoppel claim? Or would the government have sovereign immunity?
Facepalm!
9:41's question may belong in the Bar Exam thread . . .
Who cares. Saturday is the rapture.
When is LRAP going to address the Private sector people who didn't get Biglaw? As a 2L interested in working for a private firm, I've been told by CDO that the most I can expect to make is 15 dollars an hour or so, meaning I can ambitiously probably expect 50k/ year. Given that such a low salary would require 25 years of wage slavery as opposed to 10, is it better to just look for a bs Public service job I don't care about to be out of debt sooner?
As someone in the top 25% of the class, I really am surprised that these are the questions I'm asking.
11:43,
At that rate, why don't you just start your own firm. Assuming you're not a total moron - and you class rank indicates that you're not - you ought to be able to pull in at least $50k per year. And you get to be your own boss - e.g., work whenever you want, wherever you want, in whatever you want.
11:53,
I am confused about where the CDO got those numbers, but at any rate I am sorry to say that I doubt LRAP will ever address students in your position.
Remember that LRAP is essentially a subsidy from fellow students; students pay into the fund so that other students can pursue 'qualifying public interest' work. Although it's called "loan assistance" the determinative fact is the type of work a student does -- not the student's salary. Put another way, students don't get LRAP money because their income is low. They get it because they are doing public interest work.
I say that this is unlikely to change because to expand LRAP to students in your situation would be to require students to pay your loans, solely because it will be hard for you to do so on your own. I think most students would be unhappy about that arrangement.
But lastly, don't panic. Even if you leave Boalt and earn 50k (which seems quite low to me) that 50k is not going to be your earning potential for the next decade. Should you start in that worst-case scenario, things WILL improve!
11:53, any places to go for advice on starting your own firm? Everyone seems to think it's impossible to do straight out of law school and that you'll wind up getting disbarred.
I came to law school expecting to go to a big firm, but didn't perform nearly well enough to get that kinda position (not NEARLY well enough if people in the top 25% are struggling. God damn). So now I'm not sure what to do. I've toyed around with public interest a bit, but I don't think it's actually for me.
I have looked into it a bit. It depends a lot on what kind of law you want to do, but there are some things that you could pick up and do competently quite quickly (estate comes to mind). There are plenty of books out there about starting your own practice. I'd start reading.
The most difficult part is finding a client base. In the criminal world, you can start off taking cour-appointed work until you get a reputation. Otherwise, you will need connections. It might be worth it to take a low-wage or even volunteer internship for a while to learn the ropes and build a network of people willing to recommend you to clients that can't afford them.
Anyway, it's not impossible. But there will be a steep learning curve.
I would also presume that you can get assistance from members of your local bar practicing similar types of law.
I agree with Dan - estate planning and court-appointed criminal work are probably the best bets for starting out. I've also seen office-sharing done by attorneys with solo practices (such that you share a copier, fax, etc.). Finally, it's probably worth checking out mid-sized markets rather than the big ones, or looking in places like the suburbs.
9:41
The IBR website has a pretty open and obvious disclaimer that all IBR sections are subject to repeal. Not sure you could argue reliance even notwithstanding the sovereign immunity issue.
I completely understand why Berkeley would want to tie LRAP to IBR, and if I thought the program were on secure footing I think it would be a wonderful idea. But if I were subject to LRAP I would be terrified, (indeed, that's a huge part of the reason I took a firm job rather than trying to go the government route straight out of school. The reassurance that IBR is completely secure (a line oft repeated at student forums) kind of seemed like the administration burying its head in the sand on this one. Hopefully this letter from DE signals that he's willing to take that fear a bit more seriously and work towards some kind of insurance system. Knowing that the program no longer faced a danger of leaving students worse off than they would have been had they absorbed all responsibility for repaying their loans in the first place would make me much more inclined to make targeted donations to LRAP in the future.
9:41 here,
All I found on their website was:
"Will IBR and Public Service Loan Forgiveness remain available in the future, or could these programs be somehow taken away?
IBR and Public Service Loan Forgiveness were passed into law through the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, and any major changes to these programs would require new legislation to be passed by Congress and signed by the president. This is highly unlikely to occur in the foreseeable future, and we recommend that borrowers proceed with confidence."
Seems like something I could rely on to my detriment.
Just stop. Seriously, just stop. It's Friday afternoon. The weather is nice. Macho Man died. Plenty to ponder/think about than faux legal analysis.
Armen,
This is not about the legalese as much as trying to figure out how to deal with 200k of debt without getting screwed 5 years down the line.
I'm no expert, but dilly dallying with contumacious arguments (that will likely add to your mounds of debt by way of sanctions) is probably not the best use of your time.
I, for one, had to Google contumacious. If nothing else, at least this thread has generated some new vocabulary! Not sure if I agree with that word in this context, but I do think trying to sue Congress for not absolving debt wouldn't fly.
My two cents, the reverse amortization wouldn't necessarily be that bad, even if IBR were removed. Just calculate out the best repayment route for you, factoring in the risks. The odds of repeal are probably low, even if they are not as insignificant as the financial aid office tries to make it sound.
Class of 2011 is the Hardhats now? I wish I had known that in time to design a suitably porny double entendre shirt before graduation!
"My two cents, the reverse amortization wouldn't necessarily be that bad, even if IBR were removed"
Perhaps you should have taken a basic finance course, with such a large principal amount the debt will increase somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-17k, and with compounding if it were repealed in five years you're probably looking at 300k of debt.
I realize that when you are pulling upwards up 180k or so at this point a year, 300k probably seems like play money, but for those in such a position it means debt that will forever be unrepayable and prevent them from living a comfortable life.
I admire those who choose LRAP, and it sucks that they have to risk taking a vow of poverty and financial enslavement to do so.
Loan repayment assistance can be just the encouragement a graduate needs to pursue the public interest career he or she has dreamed of. In future they would be very much beneficial. So we all can consider it.
Why are we worried about loan repayment? We aren't going to have to pay back a single cent when the world ends in a few hours.
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