Library Hours/Access
Per Anonymous's request, here is the thread. My own view has always been in line with McWho's. There is absolutely nothing preventing the library from having more restricted access. Just because it's a depository of public documents does not mean it must have a welcome mat for every frat guy who wants to study for a soc final.
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 2:11 PM
37 Comments:
Pretty sure that the downstairs reading room in the new addition - the one with the sweet restored carrels from the original Boalt Hall - will be law students only year round. Not that people won't find something new to complain about regardless
For reference, here's the official policy: http://www.law.berkeley.edu/library/access.html.
There are 2 problems with the status quo:
1)The enforcement of the current policy is grossly lacking. When the 6pm clock strikes, it is rare that undergraduates are asked to leave the library. It happens occasionally, but I've only seen it happen once or twice a semester--and usually during the beginning of the semester.
2) The policy doesn't address the crowding issues during finals. At other law schools, like Harvard, the law library is restricted and allows ONLY law students at all times during the final 3 weeks of the semester. Such a policy could be relaxed to allow for "legal researchers" and the like, but what's important is that it preserves the space for law students and not the rest of the 40,000-person campus.
There are two relatively straightforward solutions that address these problems and can be enacted with the new library:
1)Use technology: put in place turnstile-like entry points that require the scanning of student IDs (this gets rid of the ineffective pseudo-bouncers that sit by the library doors during restricted hours). For non-students, require that they check-in with the front desk to gain access.
2) Restrict access during finals and only allow law students access!
The crowding problems during finals isn't only because of undergrads--it's also the other grad students.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN WE START ENFORCING THIS POLICY? That snide undergraduate girl (you know who I'm talking about) mumbled some bitchy comment under her breath every time I told her last semester that I didn't have my ID but was just passing through - but clearly she's not competent enough to do anything with the IDs when presented with them. Can somebody start training those kids to actually look at the IDs or something?
We could always just have law students act as a neighborhood watch in the library which reports outsiders. I know people do not like confrontation, but if someone is clearly not a law student, then report it to the people who are supposed to eject them. Then if they do not eject them, we can get them ejected from their jobs.
I study at home because I can only learn in my underwear. Can't we do something about the "pants mandatory" policy?
Dan #2: you are not alone.
Have you ever tested it? I bet they still wouldn't remove you.
studying at home in undies > getting agitated at law library because undergrad stole favorite cubicle
You all are not going to like this, but I know I am not alone, so here it goes:
It goes both ways with the library thing. In the later part of the semester, in particular, but other times as well, I don't want to be in the law school building. Other libraries are a welcome change of scene. Very refreshing. So I tend to study in other departments' libraries. Music, architecture, whatever, I make the rounds.
That said, I know that our library has longer hours than most, so maybe the current policy of only excluding others at night and on the weekends makes the most sense. If it were enforced. The CSOs seem pretty useless.
They need to stop paying the ID checkers. I have just resolved to ignore them when I walk by them. 90% of the time they don't do anything. The other 10% they ask for my ID and I ignore them and keep walking.
This school complains so much about how broke it is and how much money it needs. Here's a solution: stop f*cking wasting money! Instead of hiring around 7 or 8 people hire one day laborer to patrol the office asking for IDs, thats all we need, and don't tell me those useless people behind the counter are any more worthwhile.
Then use this money to hire janitors so I don't have to walk into a men's bathroom that constantly has piss and sometimes Sh*t on the floor. Stop wasting money on these mindless drones!
. . . and we're off!
remember the time there was poop on the floor in the downstairs hallway? ha! #happytobea3L
Sorry about that everyone...it was my first year and I was in the middle of a really intense contracts final.
Serious Question: How do you survive with 200k in debt at 8.5% with no employment and no willing lenders to give you more money? If you do not know people do you just move out on the streets and beg for money? What are the other alternatives?
Is your debt all federal?
If so, you have two options.
(1) Forebearance
(2) IBR
In both cases interest accrues against you. But at least you don't have to make any payments while you are unemployed.
Serious answer: (former) students in that situation qualify for hardship based deferment or forbearance of their loan payments.
Fake your death.
Start life anew.
:)
But deferring and forbearing =/= to new capital to live somewhere, so basically if i don't have someone to live with and can't get a loan its the streets?
Don't be ridiculous. At a minimum Boalt will give you a job just to pad its USN&WR employment numbers, even if it's merely a library job. Just ask Mich*el L*vy
Let me get this straight. I have already explained how to make sure your loans don't force you into bankruptcy, but you want to know how to earn money for rent?
Are you kidding? Do what every other person does. Get the best job you can get. Even if it is waiting tables, it can pay the rent (as long as you live somewhere inexpensive).
Loans are a problem relatively unique to law school. But you can defer those. Getting a paying job is something everyone has to do.
You cannot defer forever plus how do you make yourself an attractive waiter candidate? Do you leave a 3 year resume gap, or do you try explain that despite your JD from Boalt your only aspiration is to serve Mexican food?
4:36: When I graduated, I was in a somewhat different situation since I had a job but it was deferred. Since my firm wasn't paying deferral stipends, I had to get a job. I worked with several temp agencies to get temporary admin assistant jobs, and was able to support myself that way. Since it's temp work, you don't have to pretend that it's your dream job.
You guys need to finish finals and then you'll realize complaining about this makes you look like a huge, whiney nerd. Suck it up or start an anti-ug pogrom.
You guys need to finish finals and then you'll realize complaining about this makes you look like a huge, whiney nerd. Suck it up or start an anti-ug pogrom.
OMG, what is with all these peeps on N&B crying about how they are going to be homeless because they don't know how to get jobs. If you can't get a legal job, get some other f*cking job. Work at Starbucks or something, live with roommates, and defer your loans for financial hardship. Yeah, you'll hate your life and feel like law school was a waste of money and time. But for God's sake, stop with the f*cking ridiculous hyperbole about being homeless or not being able to make rent.
9:40 is right. And, it's incredible that you've graduated college and got accepted into a T10 law school If you are so clueless that you have no idea how to get ANY job. I imagine that you lived with parents, then went to college on their dime, and then went straight to law school via loans.
complaining about not having a job > complaining about people complaining about not having a job.
Getting back to topic, I am one of the fools paying full sticker to attend this school. I want a seat in the library during finals. Like 1:34am, I'd also like to enter the bathroom where at least the majority of stalls are functional, as opposed to being clogged with all sorts of not fun things to see 90% of the time. (ahem, women's basement level bathroom).
Oh but sorry, that's all part of the Boalt experience.
As is complaining about everything.
And now, back to my paper. End rant.
Maybe women shouldn't destroy their bathrooms. Just sayin'.
It's not our fault that plumbing reflects the male dominated power structures of our society.
Yesterday's 11:09 a.m. might seem merely jocular, but it isn't.
Can we have a place where 1Ls can complain about how WOA is graded on a strict curve where there is no actual feedback for the students besides stupid checkmarks on a piece of paper? We now have a skills course where everyone is graded against everyone else, and actual mastery of skills is disregarded because there is a strict curve. Does anyone know why did the admins think this is a good idea? Incentive to work? What about those who had the incentive, and wanted to increase their skills, and now have checkmarks to learn from. Absurd.
Did you not get any feedback from the TAs when you wrote your initial draft?
All of your criticisms leveled at WOA being graded apply equally to all other law school courses.
That isn't to say your criticisms are invalid, but that you need to take on a hard curve as a general matter.
Except that everyone who got a P in WOA is absolutely F*cked for any litigation job at OCI lol. Let's face it firms are going to evaluate students based on this one grade, thank goodness I'm not a 1L, graded WOA and no LRAP hooray!
Umm as the friend to a WOA TA, I can tell you that your criticism is unwarranted.
My friend spent SO LONG on his/her comments. In fact s/he probably spent more time editing your paper than you spent writing it.
Now, granted, I am not saying this is universally true. But there are TAs who spent hours upon hours on it.
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