Dewey Defeats Truman
I just grabbed this screen shot from the LA Times homepage. Someone hit the publish button too early. Of course, this is not unique to the publishing industry as I've had my own terrifying moment of hitting send on an email that was mistakenly reply-all. Happens to everyone at least once. C'est la vie.
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 2:31 PM
27 Comments:
Why the hell would anyone read the LA Ti
What do you read? The Daily Cal? Or worse yet, The Chron?
umm... this has nothing to do with law school. worst post ever!
yeah, it is pretty much true. uninteresting event (the tonys) combined with uninteresting mistake by newspaper (early publishing) = summer snoozefest.
i love that Toney's comment was taken seriously.
WHAT IS THIS BLOG EVEN ABOUT?!
The Tonys were great. The opening number from last night is just for you 8:26!
mehserle let out of jail.
As he should be...the guy made an egregious mistake and served his time. If this was a black cop and white victim noone would complain, except possibly that the verdict was too harsh.
10:22 - That's an interesting theory, considering American society's long-standing tolerance of black on white violence...
Was that last comment sarcastic... ? ... Because I'm trying to remember the last time the "white community" was clamoring to Mehserle-style lynch some black cop because he accidentally killed or even injured a non-black.....
Sarcastic? Me? A blog commentor? Never.
Honestly, yes, it was, but it wasn't intended to highlight the, as you put it, "'white community' . . . clamoring to Mehserle-style lynch some black cop because he accidentally killed or even injured a non-black". Rather, I was alluding to two related points. First, for much of American history (and, honestly, in some parts of the country today) black-on-white violence, or unfounded allegations thereof, were often literally met with a lynch mob. Second, perhaps the black community's strong reaction to incidents of white-on-black violence may be informed by this history.
So there's that.
4:13, was that a sarcastic comment? "White community...clamoring to lynch...black." For serious? Did you miss ALL of American history class in Grade/High School?
8:49 I direct you to 6:00
But Atticus Finch swoops in and saves the day in those scenarios, right?
I never read the end of the book.
6:00 Nobody thought you were trying to "highlight the, as [I] put it, 'white community . . . clamoring to Mehserle-style lynch some black cop because he accidentally killed or even injured a non-black.'" Rather, I was trying to highlight how it doesn't exist, except in the minds of liberals apparently. That's why "white community" is in quotes. There is no conspiracy to stick it to black cops by white folk. How do you not get that?
Your next point is just pure nonsense:
"First, for much of American history (and, honestly, in some parts of the country today) black-on-white violence, or unfounded allegations thereof, were often literally met with a lynch mob."
If only there was some kind of easily accessible repository of information where someone could substantiate a serious empirical claim like that . . . because then you would have been able to cite to an actual example and not make a wildly outrageously claim but not support it with any facts, right?
"Second, perhaps the black community's strong reaction to incidents of white-on-black violence may be informed by this history."
This is a great articulation of liberal thought. Narrative > facts. Does Mehserle merit a homicide conviction? On the facts, no, but because of the HISTORY of oppression, that justifies our wild overreaction.
Nevermind also the fact that this flies in the face of the great progressive belief in the rights of the accused. Criminals are oppressed products of a racist system... except Mehserle.
I think we can all agree that when white people commit crimes they are bad people and when black people commit crimes they are actually victims.
I should have known better than to get into an internet debate with folks who deny the effect of history on the present.
I'm 100% sure that 4:13 is 11:39 and 11:46, and I'm also sure that you skipped history class. The reason timbo (i'm assuming) didn't cite specific empirical examples of lynch mobs being formed in response to black on white violence is because of how pervasive such instances were. If you honestly don't realize this, feel free to look at the pictures on the Wikipedia "lynching" article, or Google image search "lynching", and then peruse the background associated with such pictures. You'll begin to see a pattern awfully quickly. Of course, Google and Wikipedia are just the liberal media right?
Despite the fact that you've painted yourself the uneducated fool, I'll humor your other point. The outrage associated with the Mehserle case only partially stems (again, I assume) from the facts of the Mehserle case, and instead primarily stems from the history of police misconduct towards minorities and the subsequent failure to adequately prosecute the police who misconducted. Everything from Rodney King (all 4 officers tried got off), to Bloody Christmas (five out of 50 cops convicted), to Martin Anderson, to the Jackson State Killings (no convictions), etc., all reveal a rather pervasive pattern.
This isn't to say that black cop misconduct shouldn't be equally outraged against by whites, but I think the lack of a historical context of such instances mutes the response. People don't tend to go outside and make noise unless they are upset, and people tend to be more upset after a history of unfairness, and not just a one and done, so to speak. Enter Mehserle - would people be as as upset without the historical context of misconduct by white police against minorties? Probably not. But there is an ugly history, and people are upset.
Instead of pawning your reverse racism garbage, maybe you could focus on the real problem here, which is where were you during history class?
Of course we live in the wake of a shameful history of white-on-black violence and oppression, and of course it's silly to declare otherwise. But that's not the issue here.
11:46 hit the nail on the head. "My ancestors suffered violence" has never been a legitimate defense at law or in morality. It has, however, been the great historical driver of war, misery, and human suffering. The Mehserle rioters point to "history" precisely BECAUSE they have no contemporary justification for their behavior.
It is completely fair, and even necessary, to explain their anger in terms of racial history. But it in no way justifies or lends moral credibility their violence.
Oh yeah, totally. I was just explaining their anger, and explaining why there wasn't similar anger in reverse race role'd situations.
I was NOT explaining away or condoning the violence of the protesters (which I honestly wasn't even aware of, and which hasn't been mentioned here).
Toney, what the **** does history class have to do with
1: the claim by the previous poster that "First, for much of American history (and, honestly, in some parts of the country today)" homicides (lynchings is the word he used) occur?
2: That Mehserle deserves to be convicted?
I have no clue to what comment your response is even addressed. If you can't answer these questions, then maybe you should reconsider who is the "uneducated fool."
To clarify, history has nothing to do with the bolded point (and I should have bolded it again) that this is happening TODAY.
My god people. All the talk about history was in response to "I'm trying to remember the last time the "white community" was clamoring to Mehserle-style lynch some black cop because he accidentally killed or even injured a non-black....." No one said history of white lynch mobs justifies anything in particular, but 4:13 *should* be aware that they existed. Especially if 4:13 is actually going to use the word "lynch," which clearly calls up connotations of vigilanteism by white mobs against black victims. Therefore, 4:13 is ridiculous (and maybe a troll?) and should be assigned remedial US History classes. And if anyone reads the comments educating 4:13 as a claim that Mehserle should have been convicted of something more serious, then that person should be assigned remedial reading comprehension classes.
do you have to be white to be part of the white community?
if so, that's racist.
Haha... thanks for the laugh 7:09. Also, I feel sorry for you :(
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