Lady, I Got Buddies Who Died Face Down in the Muck So that You and I could Enjoy this Family Law School
First things first: check out the ultra-important, context-enhancing video here.
Next, review this recent email from KVH to Boalt students:
Ready to crack some (figurative) heads? Good. Like KVH, I also doubt that I "understand UCPD's position on this issue." Are the campus police stopping students for the hefty offence of "carrying large signs"? On a weekday? On a campus? And are they really asking for ID? Really? If it actually is true that the UCPD can't think of a single better thing to do with its officers' time, I invite the Chief to call me. As a former resident of the greater Boalt Hall metropolitan area, I feel confident that I could provide an extensive list of better ideas.
Next, review this recent email from KVH to Boalt students:
UCPD officers have told us that they are under orders to stop anyone carrying large signs, banners, bullhorns or other amplification devices on campus property. Officers have been monitoring the area in front of the Law School that adjoins Kroeber plaza. If you are carrying signs, banners, bullhorns, or other amplification devices you will likely be stopped by UCPD and asked to produce identification. There have been some confrontational incidents in the last couple of hours that demonstrate that the officers expect immediate compliance with their request for ID. While we do not understand UCPD's position on this issue, we cannot control or direct UCPD's behavior and we are concerned for your safety and well being. It might, therefore, be wisest to avoid the west end of the building for now, if you can do so. Instead come into the law school through the EAST cafe door.Finally, some historical context might be helpful background as you think about this issue.
Ready to crack some (figurative) heads? Good. Like KVH, I also doubt that I "understand UCPD's position on this issue." Are the campus police stopping students for the hefty offence of "carrying large signs"? On a weekday? On a campus? And are they really asking for ID? Really? If it actually is true that the UCPD can't think of a single better thing to do with its officers' time, I invite the Chief to call me. As a former resident of the greater Boalt Hall metropolitan area, I feel confident that I could provide an extensive list of better ideas.
posted by Patrick Bageant at 4:57 PM
6 Comments:
KVH's email implies that neither the UCPD nor the central campus administration communicated its ad-hoc rules to Boalt officials. That's troubling, if true.
If the UCPD thought it necessary to establish a police checkpoint in front of the law school, you'd think they would at least bother to let Boalt know about the existence and purpose of the checkpoint. It's not like today's campus protest was a surprise. The UCPD has had over a week's notice. There's no excuse for failing to notify campus officials, including those at Boalt, of their plans for maintaining order.
Is this a ... what day is this?
While we do not understand UCPD's position on this issue,...
Gee, so weird that UCPD would actually ENFORCE THE LAW! Why would they do that?!?!?
Are the campus police stopping students for the hefty offence of "carrying large signs"?
No.
Campus police were stopping *individuals* for carrying items which ONLY students are allowed to carry. Produce proof that you are a student, then carry on. If you are not a student, you cannot have those items. Pretty simple. Or at least it WOULD be if you weren't so full of yourself and your misinformed knowledge of probable cause.
It wasn't a freaking checkpoint, and in fact, UCPD *DID* speak with KVH in advance of her email and these incidents.
I'll tell you what, 11:43.
How about you explain to me what part of carrying a large sign amounts to "probable cause" that a crime has been committed, and THEN you call me misinformed about the law.
If you are NOT a student you may NOT have a sign larger than a certain size. Excuse me, I do not know the exact size and do not want to misspeak on the point. PC for the stop is a sign over this size, or a bullhorn (also not allowed if you are a nonaffiliate). You're a student? No problem, have your damn sign and go protest. You're NOT a University affiliate? Get off the damn campus with your pompous sign.
Be informed. How are the police supposed to tell by looking that you're not one of those monkeys paid to protest??
Yeah Patrick! Everyone knows that only students are allowed to have signs over a certain size.
7:27 - your lack of knowledge of free speech and honestly common sense is embarrassing.
"Be informed. How are the police supposed to tell by looking that you're not one of those monkeys paid to protest?"
This sentence alone makes me doubt Darwinism.
Bottom line: UC campuses are public property, and you don't not need to be a student to protest there. The idea that there is some correlation between sign size and student status is idiotic. And yes, without debate, you are wrong about whether or not "paid monkeys" can protest in public spaces.
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