Berkeley in the final four!
posted by Corey at 6:08 PM
Tuesday, March 27, 2012
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14 Comments:
If instead of spending all that money on Japanese plants or whatever they have in that terrace, Berkeley had spent that on attracting better profs or giving out more scholarships or whatever, it'd be a better-ranked school at polls other than made-up crap on ATL.
And here I thought I was the only one upset that Boalt's Gallup approval rating was slipping.
Well, now we know that Roger Sterling reads N&B.
Now in the final
http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/atl-march-madness-2012-the-most-honest-law-school-final/
Can we have a thread about EIW? Or where do we 1Ls go to get unvarnished advice? My grades were mediocre first semester (1 HH) and I see them being worse this semester...I don't even know if I should waste my time with EIW, as from the sounds of it, last year was something of a blood bath and even if you have a good mix of Hs/Ps and an HH or so, you might completely strike out.
Honestly, what kind of jobs do people get that have mostly Ps? I need to know, because I need to find out where my expectations belong...
8:58 PM--
2L here. Maybe we just know different people, but my sense was that last year's OCI was not a bloodbath at all. Anyone with "a mix of Hs/PSs and an HH or so" got multiple offers. And I know several people with mostly Ps who got a biglaw offer out of OCI.
Even if you end up with all Ps this semester, you should definitely give OCI a shot if you're at all interested in big law. I found that OCI was a lot more random and personality-based than I was led to believe. Yes, grades are important--and a few of the top firms have grade cutoff--but there are plenty of firms at OCI who will seriously consider students with a bunch of Ps on a transcript. Hang in there.
By the way, if you were able to get a HH in one of your first semester classes, then you're clearly capable of doing well on a law school exam. You should not assume or expect that you will get all Ps this semester. Keep a positive attitude and do your best.
3L here,
1. Go to the CDO and ask to see the law firm grade sheet - which is basically a document that lists the grade cut-offs for certain firms. (CDOw on't give it out in email). Write down the firms that you should not waste your time bidding on (ie. top 10% only). Focus on firms that request a "mix of h's and p's."
2. Do your research going into interviews. I prepared on average an hour for each screening interview. And with potentially 20 interviews, you need to plan time for this. For each firm, I would make a sheet listing some interesting facts about them, size, locations, specialties, the practice area of the specific interviewer and a prepared question about some paper/case listed on their firm bio. I can't underscore the importance of knowing something and being interested in the actual person who is interviewing you. Add to that sheet a list of thoughtful questions that showed I was knowledgeable about their specific firm. Do not make the mistake of thinking all big law firms are alike. I think preparation played a big role in turning my medium grade transcript (2H's, 1HH, the rest P's) into 12 callbacks.
3. Put interests on your resume. There is a lot of conflicting advice out there on this, but I am a strong believer that people whose grades fall in the middle should put interests, ie. a certain sport, a certain thing you like to cook, an interesting hobby, non-traditional things. If you are in the very top grade-wise with stellar experience, this is not necessarily the advice for you. Some of my best interviews came out of fun conversations around my interests. The interviewers get bored asking about your summer job, blaa, blaa. Give them something to raise their interest.
4. Be happy in your interviews.
I second the preparation theme. I had a mix of h/p's and did a lot of research on each firm and came out with lots of callbacks. You do not need great grades to get callbacks. EIW is about personality and chance.
I had "baking sourdough" on my interests section, and was so happy when tons of people asked me about it. Wouldnt you rather talk about something you like, rather than your writing sample?
I would also vote for putting interests on there. I put random shit in mine, and it is almost exclusively what I talked about in my interviews.
Also, having now done a number of the interviews, BE EARNEST. If they ask you a question that you are concerned about the answer to, don't bullshit them. The two questions I remember getting that were particularly unexpected were: 1. Does having this non-grading system encourage laziness at Boalt? and 2. If I had one slot left, and I had to choose between a Boalt student and a Stanford student with the same grades and extracurriculars, which should I choose?
My answers were: 1. I'm interviewing for a BigLaw job. Obviously I don't expect to skate by and do the bare minimum; and 2. Is that a serious fucking question?
I ended up getting call backs at both places, and I had by no means good grades. You can't truly appreciate how important it is that the people like you as a person, since they are basically signing up to see you more frequently than they will see their significant other/children/anyone.
Also, do not panic if friends have multiple callbacks, and you only have 1. One job is all you can take. I had exactly one long interview (not even from OCI, but 2 months later from a CDO email) and yet here I sit at a big law associate's desk. You just need one that fits.
I also recommend finding out the grade cut-offs in advance. I did not do this and shot too high. I would have been a much happier human being in September and October of 2L if I had used CDO as a resource to build a more realistic bid list.
The most important thing about EIW is to know what you want and be able to articulate it well. The people I know who did well had a compelling, fluid story about why working at the particular firm would advance their career and what they could bring to the table.
I would also speak to 2Ls and 3Ls about the interviewing process in general. Get a sense of the questions you will be asked (every line on your resume is up for grabs), and the character/feel of the firm (casual? formal? family friendly? etc.). After I made a list of the firms I was interested in bidding for, I contacted Boalties currently summering at those firms and spoke to them over the phone about their experiences. I then tried to incorporate what I learned (in a not too eager way) into the interview as an indication of how interested I was in the firm.
The CDO guide on grades is a good start, but I think a lot of people will fit into the "mix of Hs and Ps" that many firms indicate as their "cutoff." Many of the Boalties I spoke with were willing to share their grades to me in confidence, which made me feel more comfortable about the firms I was aiming to bid high on. It never hurts to ask.
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