Call of the Weil
A commenter below requests that people post when they get call back offers. If you're so inclined, feel free to post anonymously (although I'm not so sure just HOW anonymous it will be).
I'm creating this post to the extent that readers might be interested. But I want to add my own personal thought that this is much ado about nothing. I don't understand the frenzy surrounding this whole process. You WILL get a job. It's unfortunate that you only get one chance to interview as a summer associate (assuming you weren't a summer associate last year) but at the same time barring a criminal history or a loud fart during every single interview, I think we'll all do fine. I also want to add that if any firm ever asks me why they should not hire me, the one answer that I will ever give is that because my classmates are incredibly brilliant and far more qualified than me. Best of luck to every one.
I'm creating this post to the extent that readers might be interested. But I want to add my own personal thought that this is much ado about nothing. I don't understand the frenzy surrounding this whole process. You WILL get a job. It's unfortunate that you only get one chance to interview as a summer associate (assuming you weren't a summer associate last year) but at the same time barring a criminal history or a loud fart during every single interview, I think we'll all do fine. I also want to add that if any firm ever asks me why they should not hire me, the one answer that I will ever give is that because my classmates are incredibly brilliant and far more qualified than me. Best of luck to every one.
Labels: OCIP/Employment
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 1:08 PM
85 Comments:
I would just like to add that there is wireless in the student chill room. There's a no-password WAP called "linksys" (poor ignorant owner) that gives me two bars of signal.
Let the madness begin!
Fenwick has begun making callback offers.
Gunderson Dettmer (interviewed on Wednesday) has begun making callback offers.
By the way, any 3L will tell you that the CDO's e-mail is incorrect in asserting that most interviewees get callbacks within 48 hours. A few firms do this, but I don't think it's the norm. Give it at least a week before worrying.
ditto for Downey Brand (Wednesday interview)
howard rice (wednesday)
Heller - Friday.
Armen, would you please explain the cleverness of this posting's title? I'm at a loss
I suggest you pay a visit to Jack London Square in Oakland.
Heller rejections via email on friday. Drinker SF call back.
miller starr regalia (walnut creek) callbacks on monday
odonnell shaeffer mortimer (la) callbacks on monday
hughes hubbard reed (la) callbacks on monday
greenberg traurig (silicon valley and la/oc?) callbacks tuesday
anyone know when i'll get my callbacks?
kirkland & ellis -sf callbacks today.
i heard kirkland & ellis - ny callbacks get made over the weekend, but i've received no rejection either, so take it with a grain of salt.
Howard Rice rejection via snail mail today.
rejection postcard from mofo sf. looking back, maybe it wasn't the wisest move to say that "staying awake in civ pro" was the most difficult legal related challenge i have overcome.
cooley godward (palo alto) callback on tuesday
fried frank NY Tuesday Callback.
fenwick & west callback on tuesday
Cox Castle (LA, interviewed Thursday, callback Friday)
Jenkens Gilchrist (Callback dinner Tuesday).
Simpson Thacher rejection via snail mail on Tuesday (sent Monday).
re: MoFo rejection postcard. Can't the firm afford to give us a little privacy (i.e., envelope).
Steefel callback on Weds.
simpson thacher callback on tues via snail mail
shearman & sterling rejection letter wed.
For all those, like me, who have yet to hear a yea or nay from any firm (I've done 12 interviews) I had an interview with Farella today and they told me it would take 2 (TWO) weeks to hear something.
Hope springs eternal.
Now that we're heading into the next week, can people use dates as well as days of the week (e.g. soon we'll be trying to figure out which Friday someone's referring too)?
By the way, Armen, this is a nice idea...it helps those who "need to know."
9/21 - Heller rejection via EMAIL! I guess times are tough over there.
Howry callback via email
Hey - A month or so ago, Armen mentioned the rumor that this might happen. It happened!
Here's the link:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1127293515541
Irell, Quinn to Hike First-Year Salaries
Kellie Schmitt
The Recorder
09-22-2005
Irell & Manella will raise first-year associates' base salary to $135,000 next year, a $5,000 increase that is already sending ripples through the Southern California legal industry.
I interviewed with MoFo SF and have not received a MoFo rejection postcard.
Has anyone here received a MoFo callback by phone call or other means?
I just want to say that for all of you that are not too concnerned about being lawyers, I am starting a fashion consulting business specifically for attorneys. I think there's much more money to be made there!! Rates begin at $30.00 per hour. (Hey, McDonoalds started with only one golden arch, and look at them now!) If any venture capitalists are interested, hit me back.
Has anyone actually done an OCIP callback already (actually gone to the firm for the requisite 3-6 hours?)
I just want to say that for all of you that are not concerned about being lawyers, I am starting my own fashion consulting business specifically for attorneys. I think there is much more money to be made there!! (Hey, McDonald's started with only one golden arch, and look at them now!) Rates will start at $30.00 per hour. If any of you "venture capitalists" are interested, hit me back.
By the way, we are all rock stars, because if we weren't, we would not be here. (Except for me; somehow Prop 209 missed me! Oh well.) We all will be ok. Remember that.
don't forget to use dates and please write the office of the firm you're talking about.
schulte roth NY call back last friday, the 16. Milbank Tweed NY reject snail mail the 19th
Hey 9:13, I've done two call-backs with firms. They each lasted 4.5 hours and I met with 5 and 8 people.
This is the best part though, both times they took me to lunch at the same place. Imagine that, a huge perk of a free meal and I go to the same shitty restaurant both times. The second time I was almost about to tell the people that I had been there before (I would have left out the fact that it was a call-back) and don't get what I ordered (item withheld to protect me). Wouldn't you know it, they both ordered it.
They're exhausting and really not much fun but that could, and probably does, depend on the firm.
MoFo SF call back Wed, 21. MoFo Walnut Creek call back last week.
9/22 MoFo Palo Alto callback
Orrick SF callback (phone) 9/21
Ropes & Gray at the interview 9/19
I just got a Kirkland rejection letter. Why did I volunteer to help the homeless in high school? Stupid!
I know we are getting ridiculous with the necessary info but can we also write if you are a 2/3L - just so that there can be yet another reason to still have hope?
I've been meaning to add a few ideas of my own. Can people also add if:
-- Interviewer had firm or so/so handshake.
-- Person after you knocked 10-20 seconds early.
-- Boxers or briefs?
-- You used note cards, web printouts, or FOIA requests to research the firm
-- Considered inviting interviewer to bar review
-- Your grades
But on a substantive level, just state if you are a 3L, otherwise the assumption is you're 2L.
9/22 - Fulbright callbacks today - at least for the east coast
greenberg (east coast) callback this afternoon.
2L
interviewer was barely alive.
i suspect he was wearing briefs.
i prefer boxers.
which howrey?
Howrey-LA
9/22 Sonnenschein Callback tonight, interviewed today
9/22 Wilson Sonsini callback
9/22 - Received Shearman rejection (sent 9/20)
10 interviews, not a damn thing back but a rejection letter from Howard Rice dated --and miraculously received-- on 9/20. Anybody hate this as much as I do? The more I'm around lawyers, the less I want to be one.
9/22 steefel callback--in a letter
2L
query--how many callbacks is enough to practically ensure a job?
further query--what to do if you want to cancel a callback you've accepted but now realize you don't want to work there and think they could give it to someone else?
The following from Yale Law is useful in answering the second question. And just as a practical matter, that school's CDO website resources are far fucking better than our counterintuitive crap. Just ignore the sections on faculty placement and clerkships.
which sonnenschein office and who did you interview with?
9/22 - cleary gottlieb callback by email
9/23 Paul Hastings SF callback by email.
I have to second what Armen says about Yale's CDO site. Check it out for comprehensive information on formalities, etiquette, etc.
Jones Day rejection by letter 9/23.
sonnenschein SF
9/23 - DLA Piper callback (east coast)
9/23: Jones Day rejection by letter (received on 9/22)
Paul Hastings, Jones Day, Heller Ehrman and Stroock & Stroock have begun making their callback offers.
9/23 ...Dechert calls.
9/23 - Fried Frank callbacks
2/23 - mofo ny and cleary callbacks by phone
Fried Frank DC or NY?
Fried Frank NYC via email last sunday. Other than that, it's been lonely...
hey 2:19 pm which jones day?
Wilson Sonsini Palo Alto rejection by e-mail. 9/23
faegre and benson rejection letter friday, interview last thursday
Orrick PA callback
gunderson rejection letter
Ropes & Gray PA by phone 9/23 and Cooley SF by phone 9/23.
sidley la callback 9/23
9/24 DLA Palo Alto Rejection Letter
Fenwick Menlo Park rejection letter, 9/24
Kramer Levin rejection letter. (9/24).
Sidley-LA callback (phoned me) (9/26)
sheppard mullin (sf) callback via phone and then via email for 2Ls.
Baker & McKenzie SF callback (9/27)
9/27 - Wilmer NY by phone
9/27 Pillsbury SF callback phone
Has anyone who didn't go to the Jenkens & Gilchrist dinner heard anything? Have they begun phone callbacks?
were you invited to the dinner?
DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD! I will not be checking this any longer. I'm trying to keep a manageable and updated list above.
no dinner
no dinner probably = no callback.
jones day sf rejection via mail
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