Good Luck, We're All Counting on You
A commenter asked the rhetorical question:
But I think the most important lesson comes from my original OCIP call back post.
Am I an asshole for being annoyed by all the people emailing me to switch interviews with them? Some people don't even give me a good reason for wanting to switch. Maybe I'm just a jerk, but I don't even like the fact that everybody doing OCIP knows what interviews I have, much less that anybody who wants to can clog my email with requests to do them a favor.In a word, yes. I'm not a fan of the hyper-frenzy that surrounds OCIP. And I do remember the tons of e-mails about switching places. But after each one, I checked my own schedule to see if I could accomodate. I don't remember if I ever did or not, but there was no reason for me NOT to make the effort. We all have classes, and we all have firms that we want to interview with (another commenter thinks that crashing interviews is not dignified...really, who are you guys?) so there's no better time to live by the Golden Rule.
But I think the most important lesson comes from my original OCIP call back post.
I want to add my own personal thought that this is much ado about nothing. I don't understand the frenzy surrounding this whole process. You WILL get a job. It's unfortunate that you only get one chance to interview as a summer associate (assuming you weren't a summer associate last year) but at the same time barring a criminal history or a loud fart during every single interview, I think we'll all do fine. I also want to add that if any firm ever asks me why they should not hire me, the one answer that I will ever give is that because my classmates are incredibly brilliant and far more qualified than me. Best of luck to every one.As a sort of an addendum, I want to add that during one on-campus interview, the associate interviewing me said, "Yeah it's a bit unfortuante that you only get one chance to pick the career track that you want" [referring to choice of firms and practice groups]. To which I replied, "Well, unless you Hindu." It didn't go over well, but I got the callback.
Labels: OCIP/Employment
posted by Armen Adzhemyan at 2:05 AM
8 Comments:
Asshole that inspired this post here. The more I think about it, I guess I was just annoyed that people know my interview schedule and each person that emails me forces me to think about who my competition is. The less I can think about OCIP the better, and all the emails make the process harder to ignore. Still, I'll accept that I need to chill out.
Just out of curiosity was that an En Vogue reference that Brother Tacitus made?
I've noticed that it's the ones who got offers through OCIP who bloviate that "everyone gets a job." P=JD but it doesn't = a summer associate position through OCIP. Now whether it's self-deprecation or sheer pompousness, do your lower classmates a favor and don't spout something for which you have no statistical information. NOT everyone will get the job they want. Some will have to settle for something lesser and work their way up, as it works in the rest of life.
With that reasoning, if I offered, for example, someone who had all P's but landed an amazing summer associateship, then you'd have to do us all the favor of shutting up. No one says the playing field is level regardless of grades...but there are a lot of other things that can counterbalance crappy grades. The fact that some people didn't get what they wanted is also meaningless. I really wanted Wachtel...what a shocker, I didn't get it. Is it because of grades? Is it because I wasn't on CLR? Is it because I didn't shower that morning and intense Armenian BO? Did my Hindu remark not go over well? Was I tongue-tied while trying to say I like litigation?
There are millions of factors. Just because you had a tough time at ocip and happened to be a "lower classmate" (WTF does that mean? All of a sudden grades determine how I view my classmates? Are you THAT shallow?) doesn't mean there's a causation there. Frankly just based on the comment above, I can think of a few reasons for a firm not to hire you.
Note: I really didn't apply to Wachtel.
I didn't even know that WLRK recruited from Boalt OCIP
Ugh. They don't. How did I know someone was going to point that out and not recognize a literary device when it hits them in the face?
Armen, seriously. They. don't. recruit. here.
Sheesh, I thought we cleared this up last year.
Lots of regional firms without a west coast presence don't recruit here. What's the big deal? I'm sure if you are the type of super-hotshot they're looking for and don't mind handing over the keys to your life they'd be happy to see a resume and cover letter.
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