2009 OCIP Callbacks (Part Trois)
Bada-BING. We've maxed out the comment capacity on the 2009 OCIP threads for a second time - you folks are on a roll. I have closed discussion on the previous thread, and opened it here.
Labels: OCIP/Employment
posted by Patrick Bageant at 2:04 PM
64 Comments:
FIRST
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first, 2:21, wtf? and you're calling someone else a douchebag? you're kind of a jerk.
second, has anyone heard from schiff hardin sf?
I agree with 3:01. 2:21, you needlessly insulted a fellow Boaltie, judged his ability to get a job based on one (harmless) comment, and while you're at it you insulted the blog (calling it "of little significance").
I don't often post on this blog, and have not as of yet had the honor of being "first" (though I aspire to one day be), but I just wanted to say this: it's a shame that YOU have invaded N&B, and I kindly request that you GTFO.
While I'm already posting, I might as well contribute the following:
Seyfarth Shaw, L.A. - (email)
Katten Muchin, L.A. - (email)
What's happening on the offer front? Does anyone already know where they are going to be?
To 12:49 PM from the previous thread:
Wachtell did recruit at Boalt this year. And I believe there were multiple callbacks made.
Sidley Chi-
You might have named this, "2009 OCIP Callbacks -- The Final Chapter (Part Two)."
I'm also confused about MoFo recruiting. I OCIP-interviewed for SF and other locations and got a ding from the NY office. Does that mean I'm out of the running for every office? I'm guessing yes, but the comments toward the end of the last thread made it sound like the offices work on different schedules. It's not that hope springs eternal, but I'm just hoping for more clarity.
6:40-
Skadden made offers today, so I know where I won't be working. Hell.
MoFo offices work on different schedules.
anyone hear of offers from OMM LA?
Just noticed this one hasn't been posted yet.
Bryan Cave, - (all offices)
Anyone else waitlisted at Skadden SF? Got a call from a partner there who explained that they were extending offers to a "select few" and putting the second tier on a waitlist.
I realize this is how it works behind the scenes at all firms, but how can it possibly make sense for them to tell me that I'm their second choice?
Were Covington callbacks staggered at all? Or did they all go out on the same day?
i just don't get 2:21. do you think that you are making smart and witty remarks? you sound like you are in high school. you also sound like a dumbass.
anyway, 10:02, i would love knowing about the waitlist. that way if you've got another offer, you can make a more informed decision quickly, and you also know that they didn't forget about you. i think i've probably been waitlisted at the place i did a callback two weeks ago, but i have heard nothing from them. maybe after another week i'll email the interviewer i had the biggest connection with? does that sound appropriate?
If you've done all your callbacks and really liked one firm, and would accept that offer if they gave it to you, then I would email or call the person you had a connection with and say that. Tell them you want to be a part of the firm and that you'd accept if given an offer. (Of course, if they give you the offer, accept it right away).
It certainly can't hurt. Be proactive!
For those of you insulting 2:21, grow up.
Yes, 2:21's comment was rude, but no one is going to take you seriously when you are acting equally childish.
for those insulting those insulting 2:21, grow up. you are acting childish.
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did this site turn into ATL? both comments were poor form but move on and talk about callback success.
I'm growing very tired of the bleed-over from ATL. For the next few days I will be a bit heavy-handed the delete button on this thread. Recall that on the original post I explained that I would delete comments on the OCIP threads that were not "productive." Recall that I also promised a trump card: I will not remove any comment posted under the author's real, full name.
No doubt that will bother some of you, but remember: you're welcome to continue insulting each other under your real names.
Anyone have an offer from Covington yet?
(maybe we can get this thread back on track)
I agree w/ 9:57, enough of the ATL BS commenting. Patrick, is there any way we can just open a new "Offer/No Offer" thread, as this info seems more pertinent than does any CB info trickling in at this point?
Thanks.
Every year there is discussion about an offer thread. I asked about it my second year.
The reason we didn't do a thread on offers in prior years is because it is much easier to "out" someone who reports an offer, versus someone reporting a callback. Many offices make a small number of offers, so the firm could easily deduce who told the blog. Because blogging about jobs is generally looked down upon by the firm management (as is anything that shows what is really going on), it could be risky.
I got an offer from Wachtell.
Does anyone know of any Boalt-based evaluations of firms, besides what's on symplicity, to gauge how past classmates enjoyed their summer or what they thought of the firm in general? Does CDO have a booklet or something like that or is it just word of mouth after this?
Perkins Coie, Sea +
Just for everyone's information:
Patrick isn't the only one capable of deleting posts. Of course, we're not going to advertise who does this and when, so before you toss the Nazi-taggin' around, consider that.
Secondly, these posts are of course indexed by google. Regrettably, that means every word of the post, which in these callback threads includes the names of firms, some of whom we work for. Keep in mind that the top brass at firms typically aren't privy to the nature of internet banter. Thus, when you say something mean about someone, it may be taken literally by some with the power to control our career prospects.
Of course, he's giving you an alternative. If you think your freedom of speech is being hampered, just post under your real name. Then you can insult all you want. For instance: Dan is funny looking.
Finally, note I'm not touching on the fact that Patrick has taken quite a bit of his already scarce free time to manage these posts for the benefit of you ungrateful anonymous masses. That's because I assume you're old enough to know better. So act like it.
To 11:44, or anyone who has any input (especially someone at a firm currently, or who has done hiring): if we really liked a callback interview we had with a firm and we know we'd accept the offer immediately if given the chance, is it to aggressive to call them and tell them that you really liked the interview and are hoping for an offer? I don't even know how that conversation would go.
Do many students have offers?
I don't know a single student that has gotten an offer yet.
A fair number of people have offers. I know of at least 6.
This is 11:44, and I'm at a firm currently.
For what it's worth, if you've done your callbacks and know you want to go to one firm, then go ahead and call the person you felt you had a connection with and let them know you've talked to a couple of firms and that this firm is your number one choice, and that you'd accept an opportunity to join them for the summer. I would only do this if (1) you're serious that you would accept that offer (and not in 2 months, but right away) and (2) you actually felt like there was someone you could call. Don't call the recruiter, call someone you had a connection with.
It will not hurt you.
and PS No it's not too aggressive - we're lawyers! I would not think it was aggressive, I would think wow this person really liked us, and it's flattering to the firm! Firms want people to like them too, you know.
Has anyone started sending resumes to firms not listed on simplicity? I sent out about two dozen this week and I can't help but feel it was a waste of postage.
Oh and if it's any comfort to those with no CBs I was dinged after each of my first two CBs. Still hoping for the third time to be the charm.
9:28, even if you've already sent thank yous saying the same?
No one reads the thank you notes - or if they do they scan them for about two seconds. Go ahead and call if you haven't heard.
I guess Greenberg Traurig just showed up at OCI to save face. Did anyone hear anything from them?
I still have not heard from from Greenberg Traurig, Baker Hostetler-Cleveland, or Boies Schiller.
I got about nine or ten offers from Wachtel... not sure which one I'm going to accept yet.
Don't take the first one. Never accept the first one.
Thanks, Toney for that post.
Anyone who disagrees, feel free to make your own blog... (that is what i would say)
If I haven't heard from a few firms one way or another, but they've given out both callbacks and rejections to others at Boalt, can I safely assume that I'm on some sort of waiting list at the firm? or is there something else weird going on?
@11:56, There were a couple firms I hadn't heard from at all even though they had long since given both callbacks and rejections, and I was assuming the same thing as you, but then I got rejection letters from them yesterday, so I don't really know how safe it is to assume one way or another.
11:56, most firms called back far more students than they have spots for. i have heard one nyc firm speak of 100 callbacks for 7 spots. these firms will already have wait-listed students they called back to give offers to (if their first choices don't pan out). it seems unlikely that they would have both this waiting list and a second waiting list of people to call back in case NONE of the called back students accept offers. even if they did maintain the two lists, i would be very surprised if anyone from the non-called back waiting list made it. sorry.
Whoa whoa. The idea that firms are calling back 100 people for seven spots seems kind of ridiculous. Like some kind of OMG!! ATL-style comment.
Logicallly callbacks are expensive. Not just the travel but the attorney time to meet with you. Plus, "in this economy" I think it's actually MORE likely that they're waitlist is between screeners and callbacks. Like "let's wait and see how many offers we want to give, how many are accepted before we fly anyone else out here." And then they don't want to have to have too many offers open that they're supposed to hold for 45 days or whatever NALP requires.
Also (granted it's a different year) but I got a callback after everybody else seemed to have heard last year. And I've also heard other people saying this year that they got callbacks long after the "+/-" appeared on N&B. Holding out hope isn't crazy.
You are right, Toney.
Patrick isn't the only one capable of deleting posts, but he is the biggest asshole here.
Don't worry. You come in a close second.
I object.
I don't know Toney or Patrick. Are they as lame in real life as they act in this blog?
wow Chris. Seriously man. If you have issues then why don't you state the specific problems that you have with either of these guys as opposed to littering the board with insults.
6:28 - I take offense at that remark. To say that Patrick is a bigger a-hole than me is completely uninformed and wrongheaded. You clearly don't go to school here.
Chris - I can't speak for Patrick, but yes, I am as lame in real life as I am on this blog. In fact, lamer even. I mean, I'm posting here at 9:12 on a Saturday night.
Chris Bainbridge isn't a real student at Berkeley.
Yes, I am.
Not to interrupt the snarkiness or anything, but . . .
Going back to yesterday's 11:56, I just recently got a callback from a firm that had +/- several weeks ago, so it's still possible. Also,
K&L Gates, -, no particular office
And no offered by two callbacks, one within a couple days. Good to know I was so easy to rule out.
12:52, I wouldn't take that away from from the timing. The reviewing committee periodically meets. All a quick turnaround means is that you did your callback right before that periodic meeting. Whereas someone who interviews right after a committee meeting may not hear for a while simply because the committee has not bothered to think about extending an offer, and not because that person is any better than you are.
9:06-
12:52 here. True, and thanks for the encouragement. That said, getting a no thanks so quickly does indicate that, at the very least, I wasn't a close enough call to hold off making a decision. You know?
Then again, post-callback rejection number 3 came in the mail today, so maybe I'm just bitter. Sure, I got a few callbacks, but that just means the rejection parade can continue until October. Woo hoo!
Chin up, 12:52, even if just for the sake of a facade. I know you're getting beaten up a little, but half of a callback is acting like you already have the job. You can't be so confident that the attorneys hate you, but you need to believe that you're desirable so that they will believe it. As has been alluded to in other years' posts, it's alot like a first date.
I get the sense that a lot of you may be sabotaging yourselves in interviews by being less confident and more supplicating. Those of you who can compensate for the torture you're going through are going to emerge with more offers.
I hate those first dates where you don't get dinner at the end, yannow what I mean?
I hate those first dates where you don't get sex at the end.
Has anyone gotten an offer from Sheppard Mullin Orange County office?
I'll join the chorus and ask if anyone has heard of offers from Allen Matkins?
To 12:34, Allen Matkins SF offer yesterday.
Is anyone still checking this thing?
Yup. Not sure why, but yup. Batting 0 for 4 on callbacks so far. Thank god I didn't spend Fall Break resting and moving on- going on those interviews for nothing was way better.
anyone hear about offers from ater wynne?
No offers from anyone.
Yippeee!!!
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