Thursday, May 29, 2008

First Our Professors, Now Our Grades

The imagination-less automatons across the Bay have decided to copy our grading system (ht: ATL). Maybe soon they will adopt our method of assigning enrollment times, Krushchev era Communist architecture, and tree sitters to accompany their crappy mascot (which got a shout-out last night on Colbert).

Relatedly, a commenter writes below: "When are we allowed to begin bitching about the registrar, in re grades?" Answer: Under past precedent, May 31 appears to be the day. Though actual results may not appear until July. (Yep, July.)

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of those old bitching about the registrar re grades threads contained a nice little summary showing, roughly, what firms to realistically aim for in LA based on number of Hs received.

Has anything like that been done for other markets?

Is that the type of information we can get from the CDO?

5/29/2008 2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grades are showing up as professors post them. 2 of mine just showed up today. No way to blame the registrar, yet.

5/29/2008 3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are Advanced Legal Research grades NOT available yet? 3/4 of our grades were determined as of the middle of April. The final 1/4 was based on an assignment due on 4/28. The grading is essentially random, so it can't possible take that long to do. They really should've just run a random letter generator in January.

5/29/2008 4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took ALR in the fall and it was the LAST grade I got. Seriously, it was almost February.

5/29/2008 5:49 PM  
Blogger 3elle said...

How do I get my hands on the PMBR CDs? Any grads who still have them and want to sell?

5/29/2008 10:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

civ pro II (amann) is up. that was quick!

5/30/2008 9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prof. Bamberger is awesome. Great teacher, and 60 take-home finals graded and submitted already.

5/30/2008 10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear Shelanski is a late grader. If our mid-semester assignment is any indication, we can expect our grades at the last possible minute.

5/30/2008 11:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone get Sw#ift Evidence yet?

5/30/2008 11:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to sound like a redhot, but does anyone know what the cutoff for top 10% was for 3Ls in the past two semesters? I have all my grades and am wondering whether there's a chance I'm in the top 10% now.

5/31/2008 6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone see the recent New Yorker article about the tree-sitters, the counter counter demonstration in Sproul Plaza, and the Chief of Police's e-mail to the campus? Admins, might be worth a post of its own.

6/03/2008 6:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No way to blame the registrar, yet."

I'm still waiting on grades for finals taken in March. The registrar HAS the grades (and has for at least a month), but refuses to disclose them.

Everyone in the registrar's office should be fired and replaced with a family of chimpanzees able to accomplish the simple task of inputting numbers into a computer.

Seriously, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for this.

6/03/2008 9:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would the registrar refuse to disclose grades that are otherwise ready to be disclosed? They've released grades for some classes that ended in May.

6/03/2008 10:16 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

According to BearFacts, complete transcripts will be available June 12. Including Spring 2008 grades.

But I'm guessing not even Armen would care to take THAT bet.

6/03/2008 11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:45,

How do you know the registrar has had March-final (Dalhu*sen's) grades for at least a month? And what do you mean, "refuses to disclose them"? Did they actually, well, "refuse"?

6/04/2008 7:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know for a fact that the registrar has in the past refused to disclose final grades in their possession.

If a professor submits grades directly to the registrar (as opposed to the professor entering the grades into telebears) the registrar won't release those grades until the stated last day for grade release that semester. Note that this "stated last day" is the internal deadline that Boalt gives to professors, not the much earlier deadline referenced on the telebears main page (that's for main campus).

I have no idea what the logic behind the rule is, but I know this has happened in the past.

6/04/2008 10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a clue why the grades for Intro to IP II, but not I, have been posted? My understanding was that we were to receive the same grade for both.

6/04/2008 1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what an LCC is? I took Partnerships & LLC's last semester, but it's showing up on Bear Facts as Partnerships & LCC's. It's going to be embarrassing -- for me and, I think, for Boalt -- to present to corporate hiring partners a transcript that shows the registrar (Cal's or Boalt's, don't know which) can't get right the acronym of the legal entity that's the subject of this course.

6/04/2008 1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I received my IP II grade yesterday and my IP I grade today.

They were both the same...

6/04/2008 1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I also got my Intro to IP II grade yesterday, but so far have not received the other grade.

In other thoughts, I just want to say that I really appreciate Prof. P for property after completing the Bar Bri property series. She's awesome!

6/04/2008 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't gotten any grades so far! Not one!

6/04/2008 11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anybody know the deadline for professors to post grades (not that this means they would actually show up on bearfacts)? In the past I think that has been sometime mid-June...

6/05/2008 6:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:45, 6/3/08 here.

10:22 hit the nail on the head. I don't know why they did this, but they do.

Here is the conversation I had.

"Hi, can you tell me if the grades for such-and-such class are in?"
"No."
"Well, the finals were in May."
"If the professor put them in online, they are in BearFacts, if they gave it to us, we will put them in."
"OK, well do you have them?"
"I don't know. Check BearFacts."
"I have checked BearFacts."
"Oh. If the professor put them in online, they are in BearFacts, if they gave it to us, we will put them in."
"Well I'd like to know if I can graduate. Could you please check for me as I'm sure he must have turned in the grades since it's been 2 months."
"No."

I found out from a visiting student whose school required submission of grades rather early that the grades were in fact done and submitted to the registrar's office.

They deliberately obfuscate and infuriate.

6/05/2008 2:16 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

from M*nd*:

"The deadline for turning in grades is June 15. As deadlines are met by some faculty just about as often as they are met by some students, you can expect a few late submissions."

I hope that also means you get to give your professor a sub-P if s/he fails to have your grade in by the 15th.

6/06/2008 1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As deadlines are met by some
faculty just about as often as they are met by some students, you can
expect a few late submissions."

Honestly, screw you Mindi. That's a very dishonest and inappropriate jab to make at students. When students turn in something late, we do so either with the consent of the professor or expect that our grade will suffer as a result. We're not allowed to submit or continue working on an exam 1 minute after the deadline.

So please, no more excuses. Get us our damn grades. I hope they're periodically sending professors reminders to turn grades in, rather than waiting until they miss the deadline to remind them.

6/06/2008 1:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I'm sure more professors turn grades in late than students turn exams in late, it was nice of Mindi to let us know the deadline. In three years, this is the first time I've been told the deadline for grade submission. Mindi has no more control over making professors turn grades in on time than we do.

For those of you who want to be proactive, when you're a 3L and the class campaign comes along, pledge as you normally would, but write on your pledge that it will be reduced by $5 per grade per day after the deadline until it becomes available. Then donate based on the result. If enough people do that, grades will be available by the deadline.

6/06/2008 4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As deadlines are met by some faculty just about as often as they are met by some students, you can expect a few late submissions."

Um, really??

I second 1:50.

If this is so quid pro quo, and if grades are late because professors miss deadlines, I had better start submitting my work late. And my professors had better "expect" it.

I resent students who miss deadlines. Just like I resent other students who miss deadlines.

6/06/2008 4:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should do what they do in the federal judiciary. If a professor turns in grades late they go on a list that is circulated....create some peer pressure.

6/06/2008 4:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is, "I resent professors who miss deadlines. Just like I resent other students who miss deadlines."

-4:57 (#1)

6/06/2008 4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Students can miss deadlines? In three years, I never knew we could and so never did. What happens when a student turns in something late? I hope s/he at least gets a sub-P, max. Anything else would be unfair to what I imagine is the vast majority of us that treats deadlines at Boalt like deadlines in the real legal world.

6/07/2008 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm anxious for the rest of my grades too.

Still, are we really making a big deal over the email?

Breathe, folks. :)

6/07/2008 4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Err. Just reread my post. "Finals were in May" should clearly read March. Otherwise I sound like a snot-nosed whiner. I am a whiner, just sans snot.

6/07/2008 8:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SERIOUSLY? What is taking so freaking long???

6/12/2008 10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it hilarious that Professor T*lley, who himself had instituted a zero tolerance late policy last semester, has not submitted grades yet. Oh the irony.

6/15/2008 10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All mine are in!

6/17/2008 10:30 AM  

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