Tuesday, August 18, 2009

The Hammer is Still Falling

It's also rising (with OCI) in hopes of a whack at the class of 2010.

Anyway. Three things today:

First, commentators on Dan's thread below have been asking for "a new thread on this." I'm not certain I understand what was wrong with the old thread but at any rate, here it is.

A second and related issue has to do with fall recruiting: as OCI begins, 2L's would love to know which firms no-offered or cold offered some or all of their 2009 summer associates. For that matter, the 2L's would also like to know which firms followed through with offers as well. Please consider posting that information anonymously into the comments here -- if the response rate is high enough, I'll build a list similar to the OCIP callback threads of yore.

And third, a note on OCI. I'll be doing a callback thread similar to the link above. Time will tell all, but if you have a question about that (or a related issue, like bidding), and it simply cannot wait, feel free to post it into the comments. Someone will get back to you.

Best of luck to everyone in all three classes!



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure, I have an urgent bidding question (it's urgent because Phase I bidding ends today at 5pm).

I'm a rising 2L. What (if any) firms should I not waste bids on if my grades put me around the top 1/3 mark (2.9 on the Coif scale)?

I apologize in advance if this question is terrible. I just don't want to have an OCIP interview schedule full of firms who won't hire me.

8/18/2009 12:22 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Here is some sage advice from a 2005 post: "Check your personality before you check your grades."

A 2.9 likely represents a mix of P's and H's. That's sufficient to get you in the door at most Bay Area firms, with one or two exceptions. (E.g., Kecker -- check the CDO's super-secret list of firms' self reported grading profiles to get a handle on these.) And once you're in the door, your grades matter a whole lot less than the presence you exude.

I know you keep hearing it, but it keeps being true: how you interview, whether you look likely to pick your nose or tell an computer programming joke in front of a client, or hit on someone at dinner, is FAR more important than the margin between a 2.9 and a 3.4.

8/18/2009 12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should bid wherever you want. Top 1/3 is good enough to interview almost anywhere.

8/18/2009 12:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's hard to know whether my firm no-offered any summer associate, because I haven't devised a tactful way to approach the subject with my fellow summers. Especially since I got an offer. Is there a more awkward conversation than that between offeree and non-offeree?

8/18/2009 12:52 PM  
Blogger Armen said...

Is there a more awkward conversation than that between offeree and non-offeree?

"I love you...but like a brother."

"And that concludes the semester [pause] thank you."

8/18/2009 12:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:22, which cities?

8/18/2009 1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a 2.9 GPA is around the median.

8/18/2009 1:51 PM  
Blogger Dan said...


As someone who didn't get an offer, I can say that I would appreciate it if more people asked. Ask because you care about the people you worked with, and you want to know about their lives (humanity coach, over here). If they didn't get one, it's certainly not your fault. Be sympathetic and they will appreciate it.

8/18/2009 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:22 - how do you know a 2.9 places you around the top 1/3?

8/18/2009 5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to encourage any 1Ls reading this to not assume they're unwanted by OCI firms just because their grades aren't "great." Personality really does matter, and it's not the "personality" that you might expect. Being polite, grateful, enthusiastic and willing to learn will get you a lot father in an interview and in a firm job than high grades or being a super confident person.

It's also helpful to emphasize all work experience you've had, even if it's washing dishes in high school. Some recruiters specifically look for law students who have worked in inglorious jobs. It's good preparation for life as an associate. :-)

8/18/2009 7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did everyone do on bids?

It seems that even with a lot of firms cutting back on the number of slots they had open, most people got almost every interview they wanted.

8/19/2009 9:03 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Can anyone confirm whether it is true that bidding this year capped the number of Phase I interviews for each Boalt student at ten?

Can anyone remember whether that was true last year?

8/19/2009 10:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Based on the 09 grads pool, a 3.0 was right about the 35% line, to give all of you a frame of reference.

8/19/2009 10:10 PM  
Blogger Kuru said...


Yes, Phase I was capped at 10.

8/20/2009 1:42 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

Not sure what kind of magic 9:03 has working for him/her. I bid on 13 interviews and got three. And I didn't put down any conflicts!

8/20/2009 10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan, it's different for 3Ls. Interviews are much harder to get.

8/20/2009 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ouch. Howard Rice pulled out of OCIP after interviews were scheduled.

8/21/2009 10:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anyone have tips on a Berkeley dry cleaner that will handle same-day shirt or suit pressing?

8/21/2009 3:29 PM  
Blogger Armen said...

Browse the comments here.

8/21/2009 3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last year the cap was 15 per phase.

8/22/2009 12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was hoping this post was about Tom Delay being on Dancing with the Stars... oh well.

8/31/2009 11:30 AM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home